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> shows they are masters of capitalism and creating tons of shareholder value Um....maybe there's another takeaway here. Maybe Apple created something people l

> shows they are masters of capitalism and creating tons of shareholder value Um....maybe there's another takeaway here. Maybe Apple created something people love, are delighted by and find useful in their lives. Maybe people want their most personal computers to be beautiful glass art objects. Intimate, daily-carry items have ALWAYS become fashion at some level (wallets, handbags, belts, etc). Phones were fashion and art long before the iPhone. Cases are perfectly great solutions for those who want more protection. It's much tougher to look yourself in the mirror and admit that maybe they're not tricking anyone, you just don't understand the market.

shrimp_emoji 3y ago
That's true. People are stupid and the stuff they like is stupid, and understanding the market means your product will redound down to the lowest common denominator of quality. It's why addictive mobile games earn an order of magnitude more than good console games, which in turn earn an order more than good PC games. One counterpoint, though, is that no one likes cheap plastic interiors, and yet they're in the highest end cars now: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vXKOPwJ2Ink&t=120 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vXKOPwJ2Ink&t=120
- askafriend 3y ago
  > People are stupid and the stuff they like is stupid Absolutely not. People are not stupid just because they don't value the things you think they should. People love beautiful objects. People love art. People love to be entertained. All of these things have immense value. People love color! There is a ton of value in bringing more color to the world and engaging people senses and emotions in new ways. So when HN-types deride Apple for releasing fun new colors, I find it telling and amusing; the HN-types simply don't understand people while Apple understands people more deeply than any other computer company. And no, not everyone wants to sit and watch information dense documentaries about complex world problems every day after work. Sometimes people just want to shut off their brain, relax and watch stupid content that encourages that state of mind. That content is serving a practical purpose. But I'm sure you'd deride it as trash and rotting people's brains while totally missing the point about why people gravitate towards it. Do some people take things to the extreme? Of course. Are mobile game mechanics often problematic? Of course. The world is a messy place.
moomoo11 3y ago
Yeah it’s been tough to deal with it. Like I said I find way more pleasure holding and selling apple shares than I do buying their products. I’m fact now I wish they make even more artsy phones lol I won’t use it but they will sell.
- askafriend 3y ago
  I 100% respect that! The way I see it, there needs to be at least one company in the world that sees computing as a functional artform. It's an important perspective and clearly it resonates - people love it. We have plenty of companies that don't take this perspective. In fact, it's the default way of thinking. We're not really lacking choice here.
  - moomoo11 3y ago
    Yeah I love watching all the unboxing and review videos of these gadgets. Very cool stuff.

shrimp_emoji 3y ago

That's true. People are stupid and the stuff they like is stupid, and understanding the market means your product will redound down to the lowest common denominator of quality. It's why addictive mobile games earn an order of magnitude more than good console games, which in turn earn an order more than good PC games. One counterpoint, though, is that no one likes cheap plastic interiors, and yet they're in the highest end cars now: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vXKOPwJ2Ink&t=120 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vXKOPwJ2Ink&t=120

askafriend 3y ago
> People are stupid and the stuff they like is stupid Absolutely not. People are not stupid just because they don't value the things you think they should. People love beautiful objects. People love art. People love to be entertained. All of these things have immense value. People love color! There is a ton of value in bringing more color to the world and engaging people senses and emotions in new ways. So when HN-types deride Apple for releasing fun new colors, I find it telling and amusing; the HN-types simply don't understand people while Apple understands people more deeply than any other computer company. And no, not everyone wants to sit and watch information dense documentaries about complex world problems every day after work. Sometimes people just want to shut off their brain, relax and watch stupid content that encourages that state of mind. That content is serving a practical purpose. But I'm sure you'd deride it as trash and rotting people's brains while totally missing the point about why people gravitate towards it. Do some people take things to the extreme? Of course. Are mobile game mechanics often problematic? Of course. The world is a messy place.

moomoo11 3y ago

Yeah it’s been tough to deal with it. Like I said I find way more pleasure holding and selling apple shares than I do buying their products. I’m fact now I wish they make even more artsy phones lol I won’t use it but they will sell.

askafriend 3y ago
I 100% respect that! The way I see it, there needs to be at least one company in the world that sees computing as a functional artform. It's an important perspective and clearly it resonates - people love it. We have plenty of companies that don't take this perspective. In fact, it's the default way of thinking. We're not really lacking choice here.
- moomoo11 3y ago
  Yeah I love watching all the unboxing and review videos of these gadgets. Very cool stuff.