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It's a great story that I loved reading, but I'm skeptical by nature: Has there ever been any other recorded witness to this story? Obviously there was at lea

It's a great story that I loved reading, but I'm skeptical by nature: Has there ever been any other recorded witness to this story? Obviously there was at least 3 other pilots and an air traffic controller, but I imagine there were more people on frequency at the time. Additionally, can ATC equipment even depict that speed? For example, modern U.S. ATC equipment will not indicate the altitude of anything above FL600. I remember there being a reddit comment that had quite a few upvotes debunking the story, but I can't remember what their reasons were.

joezydeco 3y ago
I found this on Reddit which matches up. It's another SR-71 pilot that says the military aircraft wouldn't even be on the same radio frequency. But military does transit commercial space from time to time so you never know. https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/xis19w/reddits_beloved_sr71_speed_check_story_is/ https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/xis19w/reddits_be... But, then again, doing Mach 2.8 in Class A airspace is kind of unrealistic. And noisy.
- aidenn0 3y ago
  I assume they were in Class E (TFA says "uncontrolled airspace" which E is technically not, but a reasonable assumption) above Class A.
- nicoburns 3y ago
  > But, then again, doing Mach 2.8 in Class A airspace is kind of unrealistic. My understanding is that the SR-71 flies so high (up to 90,000 feet) that they can go as fast as they like because there's nothing else up that high.
  - suzzer99 3y ago
    I wonder how loud a sonic boom from that high is at ground level.
    - khuey 3y ago
      https://www.nasa.gov/centers/armstrong/news/FactSheets/FS-016-DFRC.html https://www.nasa.gov/centers/armstrong/news/FactSheets/FS-01... suggests that the SR-71 produces a relatively small sonic boom at high altitude.
    - bumby 3y ago
      I was visiting with a friend in the desert when Virgin Galactic made it's initial flight into space. I don't know how high they were when they passed overhead, but it certainly audible and rattled the garage door. Edit: after a quick search, the VSS Unity is released from the carrier at 50k feet. But now I can't recall if the boom was on the ascent or on the way back.
    - kkylin 3y ago
      What I very vaguely remember, from an airshow at Edwards AFB commeorating the 50th anniversary of Chuck Yeager's 1947 flight in the X-1, is that it is clearly audible, but not so window-shakingly loud as when an F-16 went supersonic below 10,000 feet (which they weren't supposed to) where I live. (The latter happened several years ago during Thunderbirds practice.)
      - suzzer99 3y ago
        I've heard a sonic boom out at Joshua Tree taking pictures at night. I thought a bomb went off until I saw the blur flying across the sky and figured out what it was.
    - jasonwatkinspdx 3y ago
      https://theaviationgeekclub.com/did-you-know-the-sr-71-blackbird-sonic-booms-shattered-the-windows-of-kelly-johnson-zsa-zsa-gabor-and-president-nixons-houses/ https://theaviationgeekclub.com/did-you-know-the-sr-71-black... Some of these incidents are probably false or exaggerated, but it does seem it produced enough of a boom to route away from cities.
    - linsomniac 3y ago
      Doesn't Brian Shul talk about the time Regan had them fly figure 8s over some foreign city during negotiations just to remind them with the sonic booms that we can touch them? https://youtu.be/3kIMTJRgyn0?t=1044 https://youtu.be/3kIMTJRgyn0?t=1044
  - lmm 3y ago
    There's a story of an SR-71 nosing around the Florida/Bahamas/Cuba area only to get a call from ATC asking them to divert due to traffic. At our altitude? So the pressure-suited pilots adjust course for a bunch of French tourists in their jackets and sundresses go past, because the one other plane that flew that high was Concorde.
- timerol 3y ago
  Later in that thread someone mentions that the SR-71 has 4 radios (like the story mentioned) 2 UHF, 1 VHF, and 1 HF. So despite not being on the same frequency for most communications, they were definitely capable of monitoring and transmitting on civilian frequencies. A bored radio operator on yet another training flight could easily be listening into civilian radio traffic.
  - _whiteCaps_ 3y ago
    Not an SR-71, but a couple of weeks ago I was listening to a pilot/amateur radio operator making contacts on the 20m band while he flew from Texas to Nevada. I'm assuming their radios are a bit more flexible on what frequencies they can transmit on. Edit -- Found him: https://www.qrz.com/db/K4RNN https://www.qrz.com/db/K4RNN
- dboreham 3y ago
  Military aviation uses non-military frequencies to communicate with ATC, which they do except when operating in closed airspace. E.g. ATC is notified by the pilot of each aircraft entering the sidewinder low level training route in southern CA.
- rationalist 3y ago
  It was a different thread that I remember. Someone posted the story as a submission, and one of the top-level comments was debunking it. My Google-fu used to be extremely good, back when Google was a good search engine, otherwise I would have found it by now and posted the link. I like the effect that the story has had, but I dislike the idea that it might have been an exaggeration. The author of Sled Driver made a lot of appearances/talks, but I don't know how much he was paid for them. - The author states he doesn't normally monitor the frequencies as that was the other person's job, but the one time he does monitor, this happens? Either things like this happen all of the time, in which case there would be plenty of people sharing their version of these kinds of stories, or the pilot got extremely lucky in his timing.
mcphage 3y ago
For me this is one of those things that's such a fun story, it hardly matter if it's actually true.
- GCA10 3y ago
  Oh, it does matter. I've made a living at times from non-fiction storytelling, and if you don't get in the habit of sticking to the facts, it's shamefully easy to slide ever closer to George Santos territory. But there's a compromise that will keep us both happy. Nothing wrong with having this go into the "legends" category -- where it's harmless fun to keep them circulating. Just as long as we know that this isn't quite how everything works.
  - alistairSH 3y ago
    I always assume stories like these are "fish tales" - there's a nugget of truth in there somewhere, but with each retelling, the story gets more exaggerated.
    - jacquesm 3y ago
      As a US friend of mine puts it: "Never let the truth get in the way of a good story".

joezydeco 3y ago

I found this on Reddit which matches up. It's another SR-71 pilot that says the military aircraft wouldn't even be on the same radio frequency. But military does transit commercial space from time to time so you never know. https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/xis19w/reddits_beloved_sr71_speed_check_story_is/ https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/xis19w/reddits_be... But, then again, doing Mach 2.8 in Class A airspace is kind of unrealistic. And noisy.

aidenn0 3y ago
I assume they were in Class E (TFA says "uncontrolled airspace" which E is technically not, but a reasonable assumption) above Class A.
nicoburns 3y ago
> But, then again, doing Mach 2.8 in Class A airspace is kind of unrealistic. My understanding is that the SR-71 flies so high (up to 90,000 feet) that they can go as fast as they like because there's nothing else up that high.
- suzzer99 3y ago
  I wonder how loud a sonic boom from that high is at ground level.
  - khuey 3y ago
    https://www.nasa.gov/centers/armstrong/news/FactSheets/FS-016-DFRC.html https://www.nasa.gov/centers/armstrong/news/FactSheets/FS-01... suggests that the SR-71 produces a relatively small sonic boom at high altitude.
  - bumby 3y ago
    I was visiting with a friend in the desert when Virgin Galactic made it's initial flight into space. I don't know how high they were when they passed overhead, but it certainly audible and rattled the garage door. Edit: after a quick search, the VSS Unity is released from the carrier at 50k feet. But now I can't recall if the boom was on the ascent or on the way back.
  - kkylin 3y ago
    What I very vaguely remember, from an airshow at Edwards AFB commeorating the 50th anniversary of Chuck Yeager's 1947 flight in the X-1, is that it is clearly audible, but not so window-shakingly loud as when an F-16 went supersonic below 10,000 feet (which they weren't supposed to) where I live. (The latter happened several years ago during Thunderbirds practice.)
    - suzzer99 3y ago
      I've heard a sonic boom out at Joshua Tree taking pictures at night. I thought a bomb went off until I saw the blur flying across the sky and figured out what it was.
  - jasonwatkinspdx 3y ago
    https://theaviationgeekclub.com/did-you-know-the-sr-71-blackbird-sonic-booms-shattered-the-windows-of-kelly-johnson-zsa-zsa-gabor-and-president-nixons-houses/ https://theaviationgeekclub.com/did-you-know-the-sr-71-black... Some of these incidents are probably false or exaggerated, but it does seem it produced enough of a boom to route away from cities.
  - linsomniac 3y ago
    Doesn't Brian Shul talk about the time Regan had them fly figure 8s over some foreign city during negotiations just to remind them with the sonic booms that we can touch them? https://youtu.be/3kIMTJRgyn0?t=1044 https://youtu.be/3kIMTJRgyn0?t=1044
- lmm 3y ago
  There's a story of an SR-71 nosing around the Florida/Bahamas/Cuba area only to get a call from ATC asking them to divert due to traffic. At our altitude? So the pressure-suited pilots adjust course for a bunch of French tourists in their jackets and sundresses go past, because the one other plane that flew that high was Concorde.
timerol 3y ago
Later in that thread someone mentions that the SR-71 has 4 radios (like the story mentioned) 2 UHF, 1 VHF, and 1 HF. So despite not being on the same frequency for most communications, they were definitely capable of monitoring and transmitting on civilian frequencies. A bored radio operator on yet another training flight could easily be listening into civilian radio traffic.
- _whiteCaps_ 3y ago
  Not an SR-71, but a couple of weeks ago I was listening to a pilot/amateur radio operator making contacts on the 20m band while he flew from Texas to Nevada. I'm assuming their radios are a bit more flexible on what frequencies they can transmit on. Edit -- Found him: https://www.qrz.com/db/K4RNN https://www.qrz.com/db/K4RNN
dboreham 3y ago
Military aviation uses non-military frequencies to communicate with ATC, which they do except when operating in closed airspace. E.g. ATC is notified by the pilot of each aircraft entering the sidewinder low level training route in southern CA.
rationalist 3y ago
It was a different thread that I remember. Someone posted the story as a submission, and one of the top-level comments was debunking it. My Google-fu used to be extremely good, back when Google was a good search engine, otherwise I would have found it by now and posted the link. I like the effect that the story has had, but I dislike the idea that it might have been an exaggeration. The author of Sled Driver made a lot of appearances/talks, but I don't know how much he was paid for them. - The author states he doesn't normally monitor the frequencies as that was the other person's job, but the one time he does monitor, this happens? Either things like this happen all of the time, in which case there would be plenty of people sharing their version of these kinds of stories, or the pilot got extremely lucky in his timing.

mcphage 3y ago

For me this is one of those things that's such a fun story, it hardly matter if it's actually true.

GCA10 3y ago
Oh, it does matter. I've made a living at times from non-fiction storytelling, and if you don't get in the habit of sticking to the facts, it's shamefully easy to slide ever closer to George Santos territory. But there's a compromise that will keep us both happy. Nothing wrong with having this go into the "legends" category -- where it's harmless fun to keep them circulating. Just as long as we know that this isn't quite how everything works.
- alistairSH 3y ago
  I always assume stories like these are "fish tales" - there's a nugget of truth in there somewhere, but with each retelling, the story gets more exaggerated.
  - jacquesm 3y ago
    As a US friend of mine puts it: "Never let the truth get in the way of a good story".