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I don't really wanna get into a political flamewar but I think for a person to be accurately called "notoriously corrupt" I should pretty easily be able to find

I don't really wanna get into a political flamewar but I think for a person to be accurately called "notoriously corrupt" I should pretty easily be able to find...I dunno, at least an accusation of corruption somewhere, if not some actual punishments for actual corruption. This dude's Wikipedia article doesn't even have a "controversy" section...hell, I tried searching his name plus the word "corrupt" and still couldn't find anything that justified that. Just one breathless opinion piece from Jonathan Chait about how people voting for Gottheimer would be better served by the opposite party. fwiw, I had never heard of him before I looked him up. If I had to guess I'd say your label was based on some combo of political donations received and political positions taken but that seems like standard to below average corruption for Congress to me lol.

m348e912 3y ago
I have never heard of him as well.
Supermancho 3y ago
I found reports, easily. Google: josh gottheimer bribes What on earth did you search for that you turned up nothing? https://theridgewoodblog.net/representative-josh-gottheimer-embroiled-in-insider-trading-scandal/ https://theridgewoodblog.net/representative-josh-gottheimer-...
- anoonmoose 3y ago
  Did you, though? Is that a report? Or, is it a press release, written pseudonymously, on a local blog no one has ever heard of, that only quotes one of Gottheimer's political opponents, who is accusing him of doing something that is extremely common? Note that last part- even if I took every word of that as gospel truth (which I have no reason to do), what is "notoriously corrupt" about doing something that I think we all think most of Congress is doing? I searched..."Josh Gottheimer corrupt". And that certainly didn't come up. But again...that's not a very convincing link. It's literally just his opponent saying "he's corrupt".
  - r00fus 3y ago
    Gottheimer is a creature of the swamp - someone who doesn't attend town halls, who avoids any challenging press engagements, and basically sells his vote to corporate $$.
    - anoonmoose 3y ago
      ...and? You just described several hundred members of Congress. There's nothing notorious about any of that. It's swamp-standard.
      - elzbardico 3y ago
        Actually he just described thousands of memebers of congress in any country that has one. Corruption is the most globalized thing you can imagine.
    - rideontime 3y ago
      Honest question: is he your "congresscritter"?
  - Supermancho 3y ago
    > Did you, though? Is that a report? I obviously did. It's far from the only one, since we have access to Google. > doing something that is extremely common? Something extremely common of Congress members who are insider trading, like Feinstein (among others, as you mentioned), yes. Deciding that any critical analysis are politically motivated reports is a typical partisan approach to de-escalating obvious malfeasance, which can be seen on any of the usual media suspects. Why is this person a legislator when they can obviously be one hell of a successful stock broker, a real-life superstar? Must be a coincidence. Can't be outraged at the right kind of evidence, so why waste the time being critical of legislators? This is, partly, how the US political system has been corrupted. Citation-please-style dismissal implicitly supports the status quo. Only if they are prosecuted, is it tasteful to declare them guilty, otherwise, nothing to see here. Must be working as intended. If my family lived in his state, and there was a superior candidate, we would get more involved in the politics.

m348e912 3y ago

I have never heard of him as well.

Supermancho 3y ago

I found reports, easily. Google: josh gottheimer bribes What on earth did you search for that you turned up nothing? https://theridgewoodblog.net/representative-josh-gottheimer-embroiled-in-insider-trading-scandal/ https://theridgewoodblog.net/representative-josh-gottheimer-...

anoonmoose 3y ago
Did you, though? Is that a report? Or, is it a press release, written pseudonymously, on a local blog no one has ever heard of, that only quotes one of Gottheimer's political opponents, who is accusing him of doing something that is extremely common? Note that last part- even if I took every word of that as gospel truth (which I have no reason to do), what is "notoriously corrupt" about doing something that I think we all think most of Congress is doing? I searched..."Josh Gottheimer corrupt". And that certainly didn't come up. But again...that's not a very convincing link. It's literally just his opponent saying "he's corrupt".
- r00fus 3y ago
  Gottheimer is a creature of the swamp - someone who doesn't attend town halls, who avoids any challenging press engagements, and basically sells his vote to corporate $$.
  - anoonmoose 3y ago
    ...and? You just described several hundred members of Congress. There's nothing notorious about any of that. It's swamp-standard.
    - elzbardico 3y ago
      Actually he just described thousands of memebers of congress in any country that has one. Corruption is the most globalized thing you can imagine.
  - rideontime 3y ago
    Honest question: is he your "congresscritter"?
- Supermancho 3y ago
  > Did you, though? Is that a report? I obviously did. It's far from the only one, since we have access to Google. > doing something that is extremely common? Something extremely common of Congress members who are insider trading, like Feinstein (among others, as you mentioned), yes. Deciding that any critical analysis are politically motivated reports is a typical partisan approach to de-escalating obvious malfeasance, which can be seen on any of the usual media suspects. Why is this person a legislator when they can obviously be one hell of a successful stock broker, a real-life superstar? Must be a coincidence. Can't be outraged at the right kind of evidence, so why waste the time being critical of legislators? This is, partly, how the US political system has been corrupted. Citation-please-style dismissal implicitly supports the status quo. Only if they are prosecuted, is it tasteful to declare them guilty, otherwise, nothing to see here. Must be working as intended. If my family lived in his state, and there was a superior candidate, we would get more involved in the politics.