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https://nypost.com/2020/12/15/riots-at-apple-plant-in-india-cause-7-million-in-damage/ https://nypost.com/2020/12/15/riots-at-apple-plant-in-india-... this is

https://nypost.com/2020/12/15/riots-at-apple-plant-in-india-cause-7-million-in-damage/ https://nypost.com/2020/12/15/riots-at-apple-plant-in-india-... this is what apple does. they use their clout, then they turn their back and play ignorant whilst placing unrealistic demands on the subcontractors who then place those demand on the labour. from: https://www.macrumors.com/2023/02/14/only-half-of-indian-iphone-casings-meet-standards/ https://www.macrumors.com/2023/02/14/only-half-of-indian-iph... > "Apple engineers told that Chinese iPhone suppliers and government officials have a "whatever it takes" approach to win iPhone orders, work was often completed weeks ahead of schedule at "inexplicable speed". In India, [we] are not running at this pace. "There just isn't a sense of urgency," one Apple engineer remarked." Remember, this is a $3 trillion company, with resources greater than most countries. A company built on tight control of information. If you see lots of positive or misdrecting comments, it's not necessarily a coincidence (imo).

ly3xqhl8g9 3y ago
At least our current surface finishing technology has advanced so we no longer see the kid sized hand prints [1]. "Apple’s cobalt batteries are built on the backs of child labor in mines, causing severe physical harm to children and violating international standards of human rights." [2] Their PR: "Apple will use 100 percent recycled cobalt in batteries by 2025" [3]. [1] Kid sized hand prints on old victorian roof tiles, https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/13oser2/these_kid_sized_hand_prints_were_found_on_these/ https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/13oser2/... [2] 2022, Child Labor and the Human Rights Violations Embedded in Producing Technology, https://www.culawreview.org/journal/child-labor-and-the-human-rights-violations-embedded-in-producing-technology https://www.culawreview.org/journal/child-labor-and-the-huma... [3] https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2023/04/apple-will-use-100-percent-recycled-cobalt-in-batteries-by-2025 https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2023/04/apple-will-use-100-pe...
- crooked-v 3y ago
  You seem to be assuming that 3 is a lie, but I'm pretty sure someone would notice if Apple wasn't actually changing the sources of their rare earths.
  - beambot 3y ago
    Tracing the source of materials is very non-trivial. Even diamonds, where UUIDs are commonplace, still have to manage the influx of blood diamonds into the global supply chain.
  - avmich 3y ago
    Cobalt is not a rare earth. Changing sources happens gradually, mostly not overnight.
  - ly3xqhl8g9 3y ago
    PR means Public Relations and I meant nothing more than the fact that it is an Apple official response. Certainly says something about our times when you directly expect PR to be lies. They might just as well change their sources now, or after 2025. The trillions are already in their banks; the children that mined until now are dead or close to; we, the consuming public, have been compromised because we like shiny toys (I own quite a few Apple products, at least a dozen children, they are so frail, must have been murdered to manufacture them); all is great. All that's left is to think of a truly unimaginable science fiction story: a $2.7+ trillion company is found guilty for the death of one single child and the company is dissolved.
phone8675309 3y ago
They're using the Walmart playbook
- cptskippy 3y ago
  The book The United States of Wal-Mart by John Dicker laid this all out pretty clearly nearly 20 years ago. * corrected spelling the author's name. **https://www.amazon.com/United-States-Wal-Mart-John-Dicker/dp/1585424226 https://www.amazon.com/United-States-Wal-Mart-John-Dicker/dp...
  - nell 3y ago
    Does this book really exist? Google search on Amazon shows no results for this.
    - no_wizard 3y ago
      Appears the author's last name was a typo. Its John Dicker[0] not Decker [0]: https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/312990 https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/312990
    - cptskippy 3y ago
      I miss spelled the author's last name but the result still shows up: https://www.amazon.com/United-States-Wal-Mart-John-Dicker/dp/1585424226 https://www.amazon.com/United-States-Wal-Mart-John-Dicker/dp...
    - deleted 3y ago
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  - m463 3y ago
    also another story: https://www.fastcompany.com/47593/wal-mart-you-dont-know-2 https://www.fastcompany.com/47593/wal-mart-you-dont-know-2
    - cptskippy 3y ago
reaperman 3y ago
This is the same playbook the auto industry has followed for the past 50 years or so.
petre 3y ago
> "There just isn't a sense of urgency," one Apple engineer remarked." Apple meets India, nothing new. They'll just have to adapt. https://youtu.be/BTd-PWYQy4Y https://youtu.be/BTd-PWYQy4Y
- wincy 3y ago
  As an aside, it’s ridiculous that video got flagged as a video for kids and suggests downloading the YouTube Kids app.
  - afro88 3y ago
    And there's no way to give feedback that it's been miscategorised
    - atorodius 3y ago
      FWIW I think the uploader sets this flag, not some algorithm.
      - TazeTSchnitzel 3y ago
        It's not that simple, YouTube itself can also set it, and I'm not sure how that works, maybe it's algorithmic. Sometimes it's done manually.
  - gowld 3y ago
    It's a pirated video (but the original channel seems to be missing that video https://youtube.com/@selfhelpsingh https://youtube.com/@selfhelpsingh)
ralph84 3y ago
> this is what apple does This is what globalism does. Take the environmental destruction and shitty working conditions that would never be allowed in your own country to other countries and centralize the profits from doing so into the hands of a few.
- nervlord 3y ago
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- b59831 3y ago
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- slg 3y ago
  This is what capitalism does. Crossing borders might make things easier because laws and the cost of doing business will vary, but using your power to squeeze every cent you possibly can out of your business partners is a function of capitalism and not globalism.
  - Slava_Propanei 3y ago
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  - chongli 3y ago
    No, mercantilist and imperialist societies (Roman Empire, British Empire) did this long before the modern era of private capital. Capitalism is just another in a long line of systems under which wealth and power concentrates into the hands of a few and the many are disadvantaged. The only new thing here is the degree to which technology can extend lines of communication and trade.
    - water554 3y ago
      What do you suggest as an alternative to our imperfect capitalism?
      - 3y ago
saiya-jin 3y ago
> If you see lots of positive or misdrecting comments, it's not necessarily a coincidence (imo). I like HN a lot but for this type of topic, its consistently, desperately, and annoyingly un-objective (if thats a word). I do get that we humans tend to form echo chambers by ourselves just to validate our viewpoints and decisions however subjective they may be, but I expect a bit more than what I see here from some of the smartest folks on Earth. Their influence is very visible also in other places, ie otherwise great web for photography - dpreview.com is a pure echo chamber for Apple. Every apple product is discussed in details and glorified, any problems are completely ignored. Most competition is given almost 0 coverage, especially direct competitors or those that currently surpass some of their tech at given time. And we don't talk US-vs-China stuff, many phone manufacturers don't have any China ties at all, or are outright US companies. There is no way in hell Apple is not pouring tons of cash into ironing their fuckups, or just errors in judgement, infrequent as they are, and HN is way too visible and important to not be part of such an operation. To skip it would be a very junior mistake, and there are no juniors in this space in 2023, not with richest company globally.
kyleyeats 3y ago
> a sense of urgency I've never heard this phrase from anyone that wasn't nakedly seeking power and compliance from others.
- SkyMarshal 3y ago
  I first heard it from the military, where training seeks to recreate the stressful fast-pace conditions of an actual battle or war. Years later I started hearing it in business too, as if management circles thought it would be useful in increasing production rates. Not accounting for the fact that levels of urgency similar to military training may not be sustainable in peacetime, and result in workforce burnout and other problems. A better alternative I’ve seen in high-impact academic research groups is “focus”, rather than urgency. Focused effort produces research results, and can even be energizing rather than draining and burnout inducing. I would hope business circles would adopt that academic approach rather than the military one.
  - kevviiinn 3y ago
    None of your statements disagree with the comment that you're replying to. All of those situations are ones in which people are nakedly demanding compliance
    - SkyMarshal 3y ago
      I didn’t say I disagreed.
- treis 3y ago
  That is not my experience at all. It's even used by sports announcers. As an example: "The offense needs to move with more sense of urgency given the clock."
  - _boffin_ 3y ago
    Your analogy is completely off base. There’s endurance sports and interval type of sports. The examples you provided are what seems to be interval type of sports. High focus and high intensity is not sustainable over duration. Performance degrades over time without recovery.
Krasnol 3y ago
> If you see lots of positive or misdrecting comments, it's not necessarily a coincidence (imo). And right there the topic drowns in whataboutisms before it disappears from the frontpage.

ly3xqhl8g9 3y ago

At least our current surface finishing technology has advanced so we no longer see the kid sized hand prints [1]. "Apple’s cobalt batteries are built on the backs of child labor in mines, causing severe physical harm to children and violating international standards of human rights." [2] Their PR: "Apple will use 100 percent recycled cobalt in batteries by 2025" [3]. [1] Kid sized hand prints on old victorian roof tiles, https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/13oser2/these_kid_sized_hand_prints_were_found_on_these/ https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/13oser2/... [2] 2022, Child Labor and the Human Rights Violations Embedded in Producing Technology, https://www.culawreview.org/journal/child-labor-and-the-human-rights-violations-embedded-in-producing-technology https://www.culawreview.org/journal/child-labor-and-the-huma... [3] https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2023/04/apple-will-use-100-percent-recycled-cobalt-in-batteries-by-2025 https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2023/04/apple-will-use-100-pe...

crooked-v 3y ago
You seem to be assuming that 3 is a lie, but I'm pretty sure someone would notice if Apple wasn't actually changing the sources of their rare earths.
- beambot 3y ago
  Tracing the source of materials is very non-trivial. Even diamonds, where UUIDs are commonplace, still have to manage the influx of blood diamonds into the global supply chain.
- avmich 3y ago
  Cobalt is not a rare earth. Changing sources happens gradually, mostly not overnight.
- ly3xqhl8g9 3y ago
  PR means Public Relations and I meant nothing more than the fact that it is an Apple official response. Certainly says something about our times when you directly expect PR to be lies. They might just as well change their sources now, or after 2025. The trillions are already in their banks; the children that mined until now are dead or close to; we, the consuming public, have been compromised because we like shiny toys (I own quite a few Apple products, at least a dozen children, they are so frail, must have been murdered to manufacture them); all is great. All that's left is to think of a truly unimaginable science fiction story: a $2.7+ trillion company is found guilty for the death of one single child and the company is dissolved.

phone8675309 3y ago

They're using the Walmart playbook

cptskippy 3y ago
The book The United States of Wal-Mart by John Dicker laid this all out pretty clearly nearly 20 years ago. * corrected spelling the author's name. **https://www.amazon.com/United-States-Wal-Mart-John-Dicker/dp/1585424226 https://www.amazon.com/United-States-Wal-Mart-John-Dicker/dp...
- nell 3y ago
  Does this book really exist? Google search on Amazon shows no results for this.
  - no_wizard 3y ago
    Appears the author's last name was a typo. Its John Dicker[0] not Decker [0]: https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/312990 https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/312990
  - cptskippy 3y ago
    I miss spelled the author's last name but the result still shows up: https://www.amazon.com/United-States-Wal-Mart-John-Dicker/dp/1585424226 https://www.amazon.com/United-States-Wal-Mart-John-Dicker/dp...
  - deleted 3y ago
    [deleted]
- m463 3y ago
  also another story: https://www.fastcompany.com/47593/wal-mart-you-dont-know-2 https://www.fastcompany.com/47593/wal-mart-you-dont-know-2
  - cptskippy 3y ago

reaperman 3y ago

This is the same playbook the auto industry has followed for the past 50 years or so.

petre 3y ago

> "There just isn't a sense of urgency," one Apple engineer remarked." Apple meets India, nothing new. They'll just have to adapt. https://youtu.be/BTd-PWYQy4Y https://youtu.be/BTd-PWYQy4Y

wincy 3y ago
As an aside, it’s ridiculous that video got flagged as a video for kids and suggests downloading the YouTube Kids app.
- afro88 3y ago
  And there's no way to give feedback that it's been miscategorised
  - atorodius 3y ago
    FWIW I think the uploader sets this flag, not some algorithm.
    - TazeTSchnitzel 3y ago
      It's not that simple, YouTube itself can also set it, and I'm not sure how that works, maybe it's algorithmic. Sometimes it's done manually.
- gowld 3y ago
  It's a pirated video (but the original channel seems to be missing that video https://youtube.com/@selfhelpsingh https://youtube.com/@selfhelpsingh)

ralph84 3y ago

> this is what apple does This is what globalism does. Take the environmental destruction and shitty working conditions that would never be allowed in your own country to other countries and centralize the profits from doing so into the hands of a few.

nervlord 3y ago
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b59831 3y ago
[flagged]
slg 3y ago
This is what capitalism does. Crossing borders might make things easier because laws and the cost of doing business will vary, but using your power to squeeze every cent you possibly can out of your business partners is a function of capitalism and not globalism.
- Slava_Propanei 3y ago
  [dead]
- chongli 3y ago
  No, mercantilist and imperialist societies (Roman Empire, British Empire) did this long before the modern era of private capital. Capitalism is just another in a long line of systems under which wealth and power concentrates into the hands of a few and the many are disadvantaged. The only new thing here is the degree to which technology can extend lines of communication and trade.
  - water554 3y ago
    What do you suggest as an alternative to our imperfect capitalism?
    - 3y ago

saiya-jin 3y ago

> If you see lots of positive or misdrecting comments, it's not necessarily a coincidence (imo). I like HN a lot but for this type of topic, its consistently, desperately, and annoyingly un-objective (if thats a word). I do get that we humans tend to form echo chambers by ourselves just to validate our viewpoints and decisions however subjective they may be, but I expect a bit more than what I see here from some of the smartest folks on Earth. Their influence is very visible also in other places, ie otherwise great web for photography - dpreview.com is a pure echo chamber for Apple. Every apple product is discussed in details and glorified, any problems are completely ignored. Most competition is given almost 0 coverage, especially direct competitors or those that currently surpass some of their tech at given time. And we don't talk US-vs-China stuff, many phone manufacturers don't have any China ties at all, or are outright US companies. There is no way in hell Apple is not pouring tons of cash into ironing their fuckups, or just errors in judgement, infrequent as they are, and HN is way too visible and important to not be part of such an operation. To skip it would be a very junior mistake, and there are no juniors in this space in 2023, not with richest company globally.

kyleyeats 3y ago

> a sense of urgency I've never heard this phrase from anyone that wasn't nakedly seeking power and compliance from others.

SkyMarshal 3y ago
I first heard it from the military, where training seeks to recreate the stressful fast-pace conditions of an actual battle or war. Years later I started hearing it in business too, as if management circles thought it would be useful in increasing production rates. Not accounting for the fact that levels of urgency similar to military training may not be sustainable in peacetime, and result in workforce burnout and other problems. A better alternative I’ve seen in high-impact academic research groups is “focus”, rather than urgency. Focused effort produces research results, and can even be energizing rather than draining and burnout inducing. I would hope business circles would adopt that academic approach rather than the military one.
- kevviiinn 3y ago
  None of your statements disagree with the comment that you're replying to. All of those situations are ones in which people are nakedly demanding compliance
  - SkyMarshal 3y ago
    I didn’t say I disagreed.
treis 3y ago
That is not my experience at all. It's even used by sports announcers. As an example: "The offense needs to move with more sense of urgency given the clock."
- _boffin_ 3y ago
  Your analogy is completely off base. There’s endurance sports and interval type of sports. The examples you provided are what seems to be interval type of sports. High focus and high intensity is not sustainable over duration. Performance degrades over time without recovery.

Krasnol 3y ago

> If you see lots of positive or misdrecting comments, it's not necessarily a coincidence (imo). And right there the topic drowns in whataboutisms before it disappears from the frontpage.