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It we ate real meat once or twice a month, we wouldn’t need this shit.

carlmr 3y ago
I mean technically you don't need any meat. There are plenty vegetarians doing just fine. But in any case I would always prefer something natural. I.e. not fake meat and not lab grown meat.
- dotcoma 3y ago
  Agree, but you don't need beer, either. Or wine, or chocolate, or ice cream etc. If we decided to indulge in real meat once or twice a month, I meant.
- lambdaba 3y ago
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  - bjoli 3y ago
    People say that, but when the Academy of nutritionist and dietetics and various government agencies says it is possible to live a healthy life on a plant based diet you know it is baloney. It consists mostly of the things people have been telling us to eat for ages. Whole grains. Legumes. Leafy greens. Vegetables. Some vegetable oil like rapeseed or olive oil. Supplement with b12 and drink fortified milk alternatives you will be just fine. If you are a woman and have problems with iron absorbation you should probably take an iron supplement as well. Online it seems to be a controversy, but among people who actually study nutrition there is pretty broad agreement that a vegan diet can be fine.
    - lambdaba 3y ago
      "ages" = a few decades tops "you know it is baloney" -> I do not "but when the Academy of nutritionist and dietetics and various government agencies says" LOL I will refrain from commenting on such topics in the future, the ideological grip on some is hopeless for the time being.
      - bjoli 3y ago
        The first recommendations published in Sweden were published in the 60s. They have changed very little on a macro level. Before that people are traditional food, which usually was quite healthy if you had at least some economic means (otherwise it was a lot of rye, fish and potatoes in Sweden). With the economic growth after the war people started deviating from healthy dietary patterns, which is why nutrition recommendations start popping up from the late 50s. Who are we supposed to trust with nutrition if not the people that actually work with understanding the science? I do know that the USDA have quite a lot of industry influence, but that is not the case everywhere. Most dietary recommendations look like the Mediterranean diet, which we know have very good health outcomes, with local adaptions. For a good reason.
  - roflyear 3y ago
    Definitely not true.
- mrighele 3y ago
  Those vegetarians doing just fine have usually to be much more careful about what they eat than meat-eaters, so this tells me that meat is not just an unnecessary luxury. While in the west we eat much more meat that necessary, I don't think that stopping consuming it is the right course of action. There are alternatives to meat, like bugs, but that is not what vegetarians do or preach.
  - bjoli 3y ago
    Look no further than you country's dietary recommendations. They all say something along the lines "eat mostly legumes, whole grains, leafy green vegetables and other vegetables". It probably even tells you to cut down on beef and pork. Sweden's national food agency even has advice directed at vegans saying mostly the same things as it tells meaties, but adds "try to eat an iron source with all food (beans, nuts), supplement with b12 and use enriched milk replacements".
    - mrighele 3y ago
      > "eat mostly legumes, whole grains, leafy green vegetables and other vegetables". It probably even tells you to cut down on beef and pork. Yes, as I wrote we tend to eat too much meat in the west. But cutting down on meat consumption and eating mostly vegetables doesn't mean avoiding eating meat at all.
      - bjoli 3y ago
        The thing is, information on how to do it in a safe and healthy way is available, sometimes even from your national food agency. The problem is, I think, that people do not follow the guidelines of the food agencies anyway. If you follow the guidelines but on a vegan diet, making sure to supplement b12, you won't have to do any planning. A healthy dietary pattern looks the same if you don't eat meat. People most often just have to make sure they get enough calories.
  - jabradoodle 3y ago
    It's not an unnecessary luxury because you would be perfectly healthy but have to think a bit more?
- stefantalpalaru 3y ago
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PretzelPirate 3y ago
> real meat Keep in mind that many people have ethical issues with killing animals for food. They can certainly switch to eating plants, but many won't. "fake meat" is the bridge they need to align their actions with their morals.
- dotcoma 3y ago
  Because beans don't taste good enough. Or make them fart ;)
chii 3y ago
> ate real meat once or twice a month this does not gel well with the idea of having luxuries constantly - a thing that has been more and more prevalent as time gone by. People expect it now, and not being able to eat meat is a sign of poverty (when it isn't really for a long time in history).
thedrbrian 3y ago
I have 0 kids , I can eat what want.
- jrajav 3y ago
  Sounds like you have at least one kid.
  - Turing_Machine 3y ago
    Sounds like you think you're his parent.

I mean technically you don't need any meat. There are plenty vegetarians doing just fine. But in any case I would always prefer something natural. I.e. not fake meat and not lab grown meat.

dotcoma 3y ago
Agree, but you don't need beer, either. Or wine, or chocolate, or ice cream etc. If we decided to indulge in real meat once or twice a month, I meant.
lambdaba 3y ago
[flagged]
- bjoli 3y ago
  People say that, but when the Academy of nutritionist and dietetics and various government agencies says it is possible to live a healthy life on a plant based diet you know it is baloney. It consists mostly of the things people have been telling us to eat for ages. Whole grains. Legumes. Leafy greens. Vegetables. Some vegetable oil like rapeseed or olive oil. Supplement with b12 and drink fortified milk alternatives you will be just fine. If you are a woman and have problems with iron absorbation you should probably take an iron supplement as well. Online it seems to be a controversy, but among people who actually study nutrition there is pretty broad agreement that a vegan diet can be fine.
  - lambdaba 3y ago
    "ages" = a few decades tops "you know it is baloney" -> I do not "but when the Academy of nutritionist and dietetics and various government agencies says" LOL I will refrain from commenting on such topics in the future, the ideological grip on some is hopeless for the time being.
    - bjoli 3y ago
      The first recommendations published in Sweden were published in the 60s. They have changed very little on a macro level. Before that people are traditional food, which usually was quite healthy if you had at least some economic means (otherwise it was a lot of rye, fish and potatoes in Sweden). With the economic growth after the war people started deviating from healthy dietary patterns, which is why nutrition recommendations start popping up from the late 50s. Who are we supposed to trust with nutrition if not the people that actually work with understanding the science? I do know that the USDA have quite a lot of industry influence, but that is not the case everywhere. Most dietary recommendations look like the Mediterranean diet, which we know have very good health outcomes, with local adaptions. For a good reason.
- roflyear 3y ago
  Definitely not true.
mrighele 3y ago
Those vegetarians doing just fine have usually to be much more careful about what they eat than meat-eaters, so this tells me that meat is not just an unnecessary luxury. While in the west we eat much more meat that necessary, I don't think that stopping consuming it is the right course of action. There are alternatives to meat, like bugs, but that is not what vegetarians do or preach.
- bjoli 3y ago
  Look no further than you country's dietary recommendations. They all say something along the lines "eat mostly legumes, whole grains, leafy green vegetables and other vegetables". It probably even tells you to cut down on beef and pork. Sweden's national food agency even has advice directed at vegans saying mostly the same things as it tells meaties, but adds "try to eat an iron source with all food (beans, nuts), supplement with b12 and use enriched milk replacements".
  - mrighele 3y ago
    > "eat mostly legumes, whole grains, leafy green vegetables and other vegetables". It probably even tells you to cut down on beef and pork. Yes, as I wrote we tend to eat too much meat in the west. But cutting down on meat consumption and eating mostly vegetables doesn't mean avoiding eating meat at all.
    - bjoli 3y ago
      The thing is, information on how to do it in a safe and healthy way is available, sometimes even from your national food agency. The problem is, I think, that people do not follow the guidelines of the food agencies anyway. If you follow the guidelines but on a vegan diet, making sure to supplement b12, you won't have to do any planning. A healthy dietary pattern looks the same if you don't eat meat. People most often just have to make sure they get enough calories.
- jabradoodle 3y ago
  It's not an unnecessary luxury because you would be perfectly healthy but have to think a bit more?
stefantalpalaru 3y ago
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PretzelPirate 3y ago

> real meat Keep in mind that many people have ethical issues with killing animals for food. They can certainly switch to eating plants, but many won't. "fake meat" is the bridge they need to align their actions with their morals.

dotcoma 3y ago
Because beans don't taste good enough. Or make them fart ;)

chii 3y ago

> ate real meat once or twice a month this does not gel well with the idea of having luxuries constantly - a thing that has been more and more prevalent as time gone by. People expect it now, and not being able to eat meat is a sign of poverty (when it isn't really for a long time in history).

thedrbrian 3y ago

I have 0 kids , I can eat what want.

jrajav 3y ago
Sounds like you have at least one kid.
- Turing_Machine 3y ago
  Sounds like you think you're his parent.