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The CCP often says a lot of things. They spent years telling their citizens that their way is the right way and that India is a failure yet India is growing ste

The CCP often says a lot of things. They spent years telling their citizens that their way is the right way and that India is a failure yet India is growing steadily while Chinas population is crippling, manufacturing is leaving, unemployment is on the raise, people are losing their homes and money. I don’t understand the mental gymnastics people go through trying to justify and defend China when the people are suffering. It’s like believing the covid deaths reported by the CCP and ignoring the 100s of videos of days long queues to cremations that are running 24/7 and saying “oh the 1000 fold increase in deaths is not related to covid”.

DiogenesKynikos 3y ago
Your basic picture of what life is like in China is way off. > They spent years telling their citizens that their way is the right way The government doesn't have to work very hard to convince people in China of this. Living standards have increased dramatically in a relatively short period of time. People see how much their own lives have improved, and they don't need further convincing. > yet India is growing steadily while Chinas population is crippling, ... Living standards in China are far above those in India. This is like comparing the US to Mexico. That's how large the gulf is. > I don’t understand the mental gymnastics people go through trying to justify and defend China when the people are suffering. If you go to China, you'll have a hard time convincing people that they're suffering so much. By and large, people do not feel that way, simply because their standard of living has increased so rapidly. > It’s like believing the covid deaths reported by the CCP and ignoring the 100s of videos of days long queues to cremations Zero-CoVID was a real policy, and it really did keep the virus almost completely out of China for more than two years. Anyone who lived in China during that time can confirm this for you. It helps to have some actual on-the-ground experience or connections, rather than trying to interpret random videos of crematoria. Nobody I know in China got CoVID at all until December 2022, when the zero-CoVID policy was lifted. Then, they all got it in the space of one month.
seanmcdirmid 3y ago
Indian population growth is hardly indicative of winning. That china’s population is growing and will shrink below 1 billion before stabilizing is a net win for them in the long run if they can weather the fall out of dealing with an aging population. India, on the other hand, while having a lot of kids to do work, will have to find them productive jobs and such, it could act against quality of life getting better.
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DiogenesKynikos 3y ago

Your basic picture of what life is like in China is way off. > They spent years telling their citizens that their way is the right way The government doesn't have to work very hard to convince people in China of this. Living standards have increased dramatically in a relatively short period of time. People see how much their own lives have improved, and they don't need further convincing. > yet India is growing steadily while Chinas population is crippling, ... Living standards in China are far above those in India. This is like comparing the US to Mexico. That's how large the gulf is. > I don’t understand the mental gymnastics people go through trying to justify and defend China when the people are suffering. If you go to China, you'll have a hard time convincing people that they're suffering so much. By and large, people do not feel that way, simply because their standard of living has increased so rapidly. > It’s like believing the covid deaths reported by the CCP and ignoring the 100s of videos of days long queues to cremations Zero-CoVID was a real policy, and it really did keep the virus almost completely out of China for more than two years. Anyone who lived in China during that time can confirm this for you. It helps to have some actual on-the-ground experience or connections, rather than trying to interpret random videos of crematoria. Nobody I know in China got CoVID at all until December 2022, when the zero-CoVID policy was lifted. Then, they all got it in the space of one month.

seanmcdirmid 3y ago

Indian population growth is hardly indicative of winning. That china’s population is growing and will shrink below 1 billion before stabilizing is a net win for them in the long run if they can weather the fall out of dealing with an aging population. India, on the other hand, while having a lot of kids to do work, will have to find them productive jobs and such, it could act against quality of life getting better.

throwaway2990 3y ago
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