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Why would common crawl NOT contain a chess manual? the rules are explained in detail on wikipedia. the simplest conclusion is that it has indeed been trained on

Why would common crawl NOT contain a chess manual? the rules are explained in detail on wikipedia. the simplest conclusion is that it has indeed been trained on a chess manual and is good at predicting what the next word in a chess manual is. it is not synthesizing anything.

krainboltgreene 3y ago
I never said that CommonCrawl doesn't have a chess manual, whatever the hell that might be. > the simplest conclusion is that it has indeed been trained on a chess manual That is an absurd conclusion that is based on literally fantasy.
galaxyLogic 3y ago
I haven't seen this mentioned but can LLMs actually play chess? I'm sure they have read rules of chess online, but if you ask them to play chess with you, what happens? Can they apply the rules? Can they apply them intelligently and win the game? My point is that even though LLMs "know" what the rules of chess are, they don't really "understand" them, unless they can use them to play the game and play it well.
- anon84873628 3y ago
  You win chess by "applying the rules intelligently" the same way you launch rockets to space by applying the laws of physics intelligently. True, yes, but not as simple as it sounds.
- consilient 3y ago
  GPT4 can play chess, but not especially well. For example: https://lichess.org/@/oopsallbots-gpt-4 https://lichess.org/@/oopsallbots-gpt-4
mejutoco 3y ago
"A chess manual" vs the finer point of OP "a significant fraction of chess's writings"
- beardedwizard 3y ago
  Ok, name 2 famous "chess writings" and let's see if they are in common crawl...plenty has been written about chess on the internet. Why are we acting like this is magic?
  - beardedwizard 3y ago
    Human: Finish this quote: "Chess holds its master in its own bonds, shaking the mind and brain Gpt4: The quote you're referring to is from the Indian mathematician and writer, Raja Rao. The full quote is as follows: "Chess holds its master in its own bonds, shaking the mind and brain so that the inner freedom and independence of even the strongest character cannot remain unaffected." I guess it's seen some "writings".
  - mejutoco 3y ago
    Please note I am not the same poster. Lots of content is in books offline and not available online. Again, plenty having been written does not mean some specific book is guaranteed to be there. I do not know about chess, but I can suggest Princeton companion to mathematics to find in commoncrawl.

krainboltgreene 3y ago

I never said that CommonCrawl doesn't have a chess manual, whatever the hell that might be. > the simplest conclusion is that it has indeed been trained on a chess manual That is an absurd conclusion that is based on literally fantasy.

galaxyLogic 3y ago

I haven't seen this mentioned but can LLMs actually play chess? I'm sure they have read rules of chess online, but if you ask them to play chess with you, what happens? Can they apply the rules? Can they apply them intelligently and win the game? My point is that even though LLMs "know" what the rules of chess are, they don't really "understand" them, unless they can use them to play the game and play it well.

anon84873628 3y ago
You win chess by "applying the rules intelligently" the same way you launch rockets to space by applying the laws of physics intelligently. True, yes, but not as simple as it sounds.
consilient 3y ago
GPT4 can play chess, but not especially well. For example: https://lichess.org/@/oopsallbots-gpt-4 https://lichess.org/@/oopsallbots-gpt-4

mejutoco 3y ago

"A chess manual" vs the finer point of OP "a significant fraction of chess's writings"

beardedwizard 3y ago
Ok, name 2 famous "chess writings" and let's see if they are in common crawl...plenty has been written about chess on the internet. Why are we acting like this is magic?
- beardedwizard 3y ago
  Human: Finish this quote: "Chess holds its master in its own bonds, shaking the mind and brain Gpt4: The quote you're referring to is from the Indian mathematician and writer, Raja Rao. The full quote is as follows: "Chess holds its master in its own bonds, shaking the mind and brain so that the inner freedom and independence of even the strongest character cannot remain unaffected." I guess it's seen some "writings".
- mejutoco 3y ago
  Please note I am not the same poster. Lots of content is in books offline and not available online. Again, plenty having been written does not mean some specific book is guaranteed to be there. I do not know about chess, but I can suggest Princeton companion to mathematics to find in commoncrawl.