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It's funny how it's possible to simultaneously overestimate and underestimate GPT4 at the same time, vastly. I think that we just don't fully understand everyt

It's funny how it's possible to simultaneously overestimate and underestimate GPT4 at the same time, vastly. I think that we just don't fully understand everything it gives us yet. The complaints of "well it explained this wrong" are over-emphasized. The same thing happens with google and with any sort of research. Besides, if you're actually being productive with GPT4, you're going to be asking it stuff that relates to something you do know, and will be able to verify it readily enough. (Especially when it comes to programming and compilers.) And just a reminder, those of you opining based off your experience with GPT3.5... GPT4 is a huge, huge improvement. Almost to the point of it not really being an incremental improvement. It's so much better it's like a different thing.

jmerz 3y ago
This captures it well. We're at the "startups are throwing GPT at every possible wall to see what sticks" stage of this. We're going to see both improvements in application, and parallel improvements in the underlying model. Who cares if it's AGI if someone figures out how to turn it into a competent tax accountant?
PsylentKnight 3y ago
> And just a reminder, those of you opining based off your experience with GPT3.5... GPT4 is a huge, huge improvement. God, yes. The number of people of HN pushing up their glasses and saying "well, actshually..." when they're basing their opinions off the 3 questions they asked 3.5 is starting to become pretty grating.
- ChatGTP 3y ago
  The number of people parroting this is also absolutely astounding and grating too. Like, anyone who has spent 5 minutes on this forum already knows this. It’s probably not necessary to keep pointing it out. Yes some people don’t know ChatGPT 3.5 is the default for non-paying customers.
  - gmerc 3y ago
    What you are saying is humans are just stochastic parrots - predictable little denial engines regurgitating their latest chosen sentence that makes them feel special and safe. Any thread in the topic, simple statistical modeling will get you close to perfect to the distribution of arguments that will appear.
  - PsylentKnight 3y ago
    > Like, anyone who has spent 5 minutes on this forum already knows this You would think, and yet...
  - cornel_io 3y ago
    Bad faith actors who have been beating the "tech sucks" drum on Twitter since before Chat GPT even came out (despite in several cases working for big tech, in AI, before getting rightfully shitcanned for bad behavior on the job) keep posting 3.5 results as "gotchas" and then when people call them out about how GPT-4 gets it right they're like "well I will never put money in those assholes' pockets", so if you want to be taken seriously you really have to do it right. That means testing the latest models.
gmerc 3y ago
Every time there is a thread in the topic humans are hallucinating and making shit up at epic scale. So really, it’s either a terminal flaw and we should never listen to another human again or we should start getting some humility
joaopbnogueira 3y ago
Is it just me, or this could be the future of actually paying for search engines? I get way better answers for search queries through Chatgpt than Google for domain specific stuff.

jmerz 3y ago

This captures it well. We're at the "startups are throwing GPT at every possible wall to see what sticks" stage of this. We're going to see both improvements in application, and parallel improvements in the underlying model. Who cares if it's AGI if someone figures out how to turn it into a competent tax accountant?

PsylentKnight 3y ago

> And just a reminder, those of you opining based off your experience with GPT3.5... GPT4 is a huge, huge improvement. God, yes. The number of people of HN pushing up their glasses and saying "well, actshually..." when they're basing their opinions off the 3 questions they asked 3.5 is starting to become pretty grating.

ChatGTP 3y ago
The number of people parroting this is also absolutely astounding and grating too. Like, anyone who has spent 5 minutes on this forum already knows this. It’s probably not necessary to keep pointing it out. Yes some people don’t know ChatGPT 3.5 is the default for non-paying customers.
- gmerc 3y ago
  What you are saying is humans are just stochastic parrots - predictable little denial engines regurgitating their latest chosen sentence that makes them feel special and safe. Any thread in the topic, simple statistical modeling will get you close to perfect to the distribution of arguments that will appear.
- PsylentKnight 3y ago
  > Like, anyone who has spent 5 minutes on this forum already knows this You would think, and yet...
- cornel_io 3y ago
  Bad faith actors who have been beating the "tech sucks" drum on Twitter since before Chat GPT even came out (despite in several cases working for big tech, in AI, before getting rightfully shitcanned for bad behavior on the job) keep posting 3.5 results as "gotchas" and then when people call them out about how GPT-4 gets it right they're like "well I will never put money in those assholes' pockets", so if you want to be taken seriously you really have to do it right. That means testing the latest models.

gmerc 3y ago

Every time there is a thread in the topic humans are hallucinating and making shit up at epic scale. So really, it’s either a terminal flaw and we should never listen to another human again or we should start getting some humility

joaopbnogueira 3y ago

Is it just me, or this could be the future of actually paying for search engines? I get way better answers for search queries through Chatgpt than Google for domain specific stuff.