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There’s prob more people leaving China or trying to now than ever before.

coliveira 3y ago
Not true, lots of talented people are going to China, specially the young. They're doing a good job of attracting people from the global south. This happens while the USA is making immigration more difficult.
- throwaway2990 3y ago
  Then why is there an exodus of people immigrating to Canada uk Australia. Increase in purchases of homes in other parts of Asia. Increase in visa applications for America well over pre pandemic levels?
  - dirtyid 3y ago
    Whose leaving? Folks with black money trying to park abroad because they know CCP can crack down vs safety of parking wealth in western housing where dysfunctional politics and entrenched interests won't go after real estate. Meanwhile actual top tier talent being retained and even returning because more opportunities in PRC than ever. They're the ones pushing PRC up these indexes. Even PRC students who go abroad aren't cream of crop anymore, many just have wealthy enough parents who know their kids won't make it in PRC, aka the bench team. Who still do good enough work to fill up space in US / western institutions.
    - throwaway2990 3y ago
      So the families who are coming up through South America. Who don’t have money. They are the black money folks? The families buying cheap condos in Thailand for 300k to send their parents to live because of freedoms and better quality of life? How’s 300k black money? This is ignoring the high unemployment rate at the moment. I guess with so many people losing their jobs that means there’s lots of opportunities. The foreclosures on homes is an indication there are more jobs right?
      - coliveira 3y ago
        If you take any small pocket of the Chinese market, you'll find millions of people. So, even if what you're saying is 100% correct, this doesn't paint a complete picture of the Chinese economy. In aggregate, China is growing faster than other economies and in engineering and scientific terms it is growing much faster.
        throwaway2990 3y ago
        The CCP often says a lot of things. They spent years telling their citizens that their way is the right way and that India is a failure yet India is growing steadily while Chinas population is crippling, manufacturing is leaving, unemployment is on the raise, people are losing their homes and money. I don’t understand the mental gymnastics people go through trying to justify and defend China when the people are suffering. It’s like believing the covid deaths reported by the CCP and ignoring the 100s of videos of days long queues to cremations that are running 24/7 and saying “oh the 1000 fold increase in deaths is not related to covid”.
        DiogenesKynikos 3y ago
        Your basic picture of what life is like in China is way off. > They spent years telling their citizens that their way is the right way The government doesn't have to work very hard to convince people in China of this. Living standards have increased dramatically in a relatively short period of time. People see how much their own lives have improved, and they don't need further convincing. > yet India is growing steadily while Chinas population is crippling, ... Living standards in China are far above those in India. This is like comparing the US to Mexico. That's how large the gulf is. > I don’t understand the mental gymnastics people go through trying to justify and defend China when the people are suffering. If you go to China, you'll have a hard time convincing people that they're suffering so much. By and large, people do not feel that way, simply because their standard of living has increased so rapidly. > It’s like believing the covid deaths reported by the CCP and ignoring the 100s of videos of days long queues to cremations Zero-CoVID was a real policy, and it really did keep the virus almost completely out of China for more than two years. Anyone who lived in China during that time can confirm this for you. It helps to have some actual on-the-ground experience or connections, rather than trying to interpret random videos of crematoria. Nobody I know in China got CoVID at all until December 2022, when the zero-CoVID policy was lifted. Then, they all got it in the space of one month.

Not true, lots of talented people are going to China, specially the young. They're doing a good job of attracting people from the global south. This happens while the USA is making immigration more difficult.

throwaway2990 3y ago
Then why is there an exodus of people immigrating to Canada uk Australia. Increase in purchases of homes in other parts of Asia. Increase in visa applications for America well over pre pandemic levels?
- dirtyid 3y ago
  Whose leaving? Folks with black money trying to park abroad because they know CCP can crack down vs safety of parking wealth in western housing where dysfunctional politics and entrenched interests won't go after real estate. Meanwhile actual top tier talent being retained and even returning because more opportunities in PRC than ever. They're the ones pushing PRC up these indexes. Even PRC students who go abroad aren't cream of crop anymore, many just have wealthy enough parents who know their kids won't make it in PRC, aka the bench team. Who still do good enough work to fill up space in US / western institutions.
  - throwaway2990 3y ago
    So the families who are coming up through South America. Who don’t have money. They are the black money folks? The families buying cheap condos in Thailand for 300k to send their parents to live because of freedoms and better quality of life? How’s 300k black money? This is ignoring the high unemployment rate at the moment. I guess with so many people losing their jobs that means there’s lots of opportunities. The foreclosures on homes is an indication there are more jobs right?
    - coliveira 3y ago
      If you take any small pocket of the Chinese market, you'll find millions of people. So, even if what you're saying is 100% correct, this doesn't paint a complete picture of the Chinese economy. In aggregate, China is growing faster than other economies and in engineering and scientific terms it is growing much faster.
      - throwaway2990 3y ago
        The CCP often says a lot of things. They spent years telling their citizens that their way is the right way and that India is a failure yet India is growing steadily while Chinas population is crippling, manufacturing is leaving, unemployment is on the raise, people are losing their homes and money. I don’t understand the mental gymnastics people go through trying to justify and defend China when the people are suffering. It’s like believing the covid deaths reported by the CCP and ignoring the 100s of videos of days long queues to cremations that are running 24/7 and saying “oh the 1000 fold increase in deaths is not related to covid”.
        DiogenesKynikos 3y ago
        Your basic picture of what life is like in China is way off. > They spent years telling their citizens that their way is the right way The government doesn't have to work very hard to convince people in China of this. Living standards have increased dramatically in a relatively short period of time. People see how much their own lives have improved, and they don't need further convincing. > yet India is growing steadily while Chinas population is crippling, ... Living standards in China are far above those in India. This is like comparing the US to Mexico. That's how large the gulf is. > I don’t understand the mental gymnastics people go through trying to justify and defend China when the people are suffering. If you go to China, you'll have a hard time convincing people that they're suffering so much. By and large, people do not feel that way, simply because their standard of living has increased so rapidly. > It’s like believing the covid deaths reported by the CCP and ignoring the 100s of videos of days long queues to cremations Zero-CoVID was a real policy, and it really did keep the virus almost completely out of China for more than two years. Anyone who lived in China during that time can confirm this for you. It helps to have some actual on-the-ground experience or connections, rather than trying to interpret random videos of crematoria. Nobody I know in China got CoVID at all until December 2022, when the zero-CoVID policy was lifted. Then, they all got it in the space of one month.