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Targeting iPhones is deliberate - the changes they're against are the ones which make it hard to hack. If they were truly interested in this goal they'd be targ

by quitit 3y ago

Targeting iPhones is deliberate - the changes they're against are the ones which make it hard to hack. If they were truly interested in this goal they'd be targeting devices which aren't made from recycled materials, are poorly constructed, made from environmentally harmful processes and sold cheaply to flood the market (and subsequently landfill.) I look at this cynically: Child safety is the pretext to removing encryption, yet low-hanging fruit to protect children from these harms is not enacted. Easy repairs are the pretext to removing secure hardware, as if normal people are just lining up to do at home repairs (which are already available contrary to the slant of the article, as well a simpler device construction which iFixIt themselves state as easier to repair than earlier models.)

kibwen 3y ago
> I look at this cynically The cynic would say that Apple doesn't give a damn about privacy, only about control. Locking down their devices is only a pretext to prevent competition and abolish general-purpose computing so that they can continue to enact their rent-seeking on their captive population of digital serfs.
- quitit 3y ago
  Sorry no. Consumers arent stupid idiots: they know what they are buying and there is massive choice in the markets these devices participate. Also malware statistics don’t lie.
  - kibwen 3y ago
    Imagine being on Hacker News and arguing against user freedom. Do you realize where you are?
    - shrimp_emoji 3y ago
      A lot of devs work for Apple (or Microsoft or TikTok or...); engineering and ethics are totally orthogonal. ;p
      - quitit 3y ago
        When you need to paint other views of “us versus them” instead of discussing the idea itself. What does this say? It says echo chamber that’s afraid of actually discussing an idea on the proven merits.
    - quitit 3y ago
      Imagine being online and being offended by ideas that aren’t your own personal indoctrinations. You think it’s about “freedom”, I think it’s about making computing enhance lives of everyone, instead of serving a microsegment of enthusiasts. A dogmatic segment that wont admit that some of their ideas have been and continue to be utter failures.
  - Zak 3y ago
    Let's not equate lack of specialty knowledge with stupidity. I once met someone who won the Nobel Prize in physics, but did not know how to change the tire on his car. I imagine he could have figured it out if pressed, and I imagine that would not have been a good use of his time under the circumstances. The average consumer doesn't buy a phone based on a deep understanding of its technical characteristics. The average consumer buys a phone based on "my sister's husband got a new iPhone and it takes much better pictures than my four year old Samsung, and all my friends use iMessage". The world is too complex for anyone to make all their decisions based on a deep understanding. Many people don't have even a shallow understanding, as Epic Games discovered when trying to get people to install Fortnite outside of Google's store.
    - quitit 3y ago
      >Let's not equate lack of specialty knowledge with stupidity. No we should, because apparently one is a naive digital "serf" according to the prior comment in the chain. As if people who purchase these devices are unaware that the app store exists, and that their desires for simplicity, protection or privacy are frivolous curiosities that should be hand-waved away. As Ogilvy famously said "The customer is not a moron. She's your wife". You can't argue in good faith that consumers are both lacking specialty knowledge, but also possessing the know-how and desire to open their hardware and swap componentry for certain 3rd-party unsupported hardware. Either they have deep knowledge of the device and its limitations, or they don't and the need to order official parts for replacements has no affect on them.
      - Zak 3y ago
        This comment ignores the possibility of paying a third-party service provider. The average consumer does not want to learn how to open their hardware and swap componentry for certain 3rd-party unsupported hardware. The average consumer wants to pay a random local repair shop $50 to change the battery in their phone. Feel free to substitute "battery" with any other component and adjust the price slightly to make it reasonable.
        3y ago

by quitit 3y ago

kibwen 3y ago

> I look at this cynically The cynic would say that Apple doesn't give a damn about privacy, only about control. Locking down their devices is only a pretext to prevent competition and abolish general-purpose computing so that they can continue to enact their rent-seeking on their captive population of digital serfs.

quitit 3y ago
Sorry no. Consumers arent stupid idiots: they know what they are buying and there is massive choice in the markets these devices participate. Also malware statistics don’t lie.
- kibwen 3y ago
  Imagine being on Hacker News and arguing against user freedom. Do you realize where you are?
  - shrimp_emoji 3y ago
    A lot of devs work for Apple (or Microsoft or TikTok or...); engineering and ethics are totally orthogonal. ;p
    - quitit 3y ago
      When you need to paint other views of “us versus them” instead of discussing the idea itself. What does this say? It says echo chamber that’s afraid of actually discussing an idea on the proven merits.
  - quitit 3y ago
    Imagine being online and being offended by ideas that aren’t your own personal indoctrinations. You think it’s about “freedom”, I think it’s about making computing enhance lives of everyone, instead of serving a microsegment of enthusiasts. A dogmatic segment that wont admit that some of their ideas have been and continue to be utter failures.
- Zak 3y ago
  Let's not equate lack of specialty knowledge with stupidity. I once met someone who won the Nobel Prize in physics, but did not know how to change the tire on his car. I imagine he could have figured it out if pressed, and I imagine that would not have been a good use of his time under the circumstances. The average consumer doesn't buy a phone based on a deep understanding of its technical characteristics. The average consumer buys a phone based on "my sister's husband got a new iPhone and it takes much better pictures than my four year old Samsung, and all my friends use iMessage". The world is too complex for anyone to make all their decisions based on a deep understanding. Many people don't have even a shallow understanding, as Epic Games discovered when trying to get people to install Fortnite outside of Google's store.
  - quitit 3y ago
    >Let's not equate lack of specialty knowledge with stupidity. No we should, because apparently one is a naive digital "serf" according to the prior comment in the chain. As if people who purchase these devices are unaware that the app store exists, and that their desires for simplicity, protection or privacy are frivolous curiosities that should be hand-waved away. As Ogilvy famously said "The customer is not a moron. She's your wife". You can't argue in good faith that consumers are both lacking specialty knowledge, but also possessing the know-how and desire to open their hardware and swap componentry for certain 3rd-party unsupported hardware. Either they have deep knowledge of the device and its limitations, or they don't and the need to order official parts for replacements has no affect on them.
    - Zak 3y ago
      This comment ignores the possibility of paying a third-party service provider. The average consumer does not want to learn how to open their hardware and swap componentry for certain 3rd-party unsupported hardware. The average consumer wants to pay a random local repair shop $50 to change the battery in their phone. Feel free to substitute "battery" with any other component and adjust the price slightly to make it reasonable.
      - 3y ago