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It is overzealous. Imagine if every minor crime or social faux pas you've ever committed was logged, stored to disk, and accessible to various for profit 3rd pa
by cookieperson 3y ago
It is overzealous. Imagine if every minor crime or social faux pas you've ever committed was logged, stored to disk, and accessible to various for profit 3rd parties. Little bit dystopian. Middle and upper class people can pay the fines and fees. It's the lower class who end up in prison or homeless.
- sokoloff 3y agoHow many people are spitting in the hallway of the place they live or visit? I certainly could pay any fine that would be assessed, because that fine would be assessed zero times. If you’re in a living situation where neighbors are regularly spitting in the common areas, I can understand the appeal of a system that would bring that to an end.
- cookieperson 3y agoHow many kids played ding ding ditch as a kid? How many teenagers stole a pack of gum as a dare? How many drunk college kids peed on a tree in a public place? Should that kid get a citation? Should that kid end up in small claims court? Should that student be a sex offender and serve time as such? We all agree these things are crimes and people shouldn't do them. But people do stupid crap all the time and US already incarcerates more of it's people than any other country in the world. It's a slippery slope in my mind.
- pdntspa 3y ago[flagged]
- waboremo 3y agoThreatening unnecessary violence is another strike against your social credit score.
- dghlsakjg 3y agoBeing intentionally annoyed by kids isn’t a license to “kick their shit in” and is far more antisocial than any of the completely nonviolent nuisance cited that I’ve ever seen or had happen. Don’t steal gum, but more than that, don’t commit felony assault.
- pdntspa 3y agoHow far has society fallen if people who make a point of pissing off other people don't deserve a beatdown? We're getting soft!
- dghlsakjg 3y agoI guess we’re just gonna have to disagree on the controversial topic of… checks notes… vigilante adults beating children for perceived annoyances and petty theft.
- cookieperson 3y agoCan't reply to the post below me. But yea I am not on the side of child abuse ie "kicking a child's shit in" or for mass incarceration or mass surveillance...
- seanmcdirmid 3y agoIt is pretty easy to correct the behavior if they are still kids. In fact, that’s how you prevent spitting adults, by disciplining kids so they can grow up to not so that kind of thing. This culture of just letting kids do whatever they want without consequence is why things are just more messed up today. But ya, peeing college students shouldn’t registered as sex offenders, urinating on a tree when there are no open bathrooms around, even the cops understand that kind of thing happens sometimes.
- cookieperson 3y agoEven if there are no bathrooms around it's not like the law allows that. Saw a video where a cop arrested a fire man for stepping several inches over a line while putting out a fire. Literally handcuffed and thrown in the car. Also saw some cops arrest a woman for having a stroke in a hospital lobby, she died minutes later on her way to jail. I wouldn't put too much faith on human judgement of criminality. I'd put even less faith in corporate views of similar matters. Even less in machine learning models. And I'd put the very least in corporate run mass surveillance fed machine learning models.
- Spooky23 3y agoThis example is chosen because it’s gross. Nobody is pro-spitting. It’s less “ok” to people if you say “A public venue is banning an individual because she works for a company our company dislikes.” If you’re in this space at all, you should be concerned about this. If you live in a major area, hundreds of locations are running LPR on your car or have cameras capable of facial recognition. As more entities start exchanging that data, your movements are available to anyone willing to pay. Once you open the door to this, it’s easy to go awful things in the name of quality of life. Perhaps your landlord doesn’t like your ethnicity or religion, won’t rent to folks who’ve spent time in certain places, for example.
- rahimnathwani 3y ago"Perhaps your landlord doesn’t like your ethnicity or religion" At least in the US, this type of discrimination is illegal.
- bsder 3y agoGood luck proving it. And the poor don't even have the money to access the system to get redress. How many groups in tech are a single ethnicity or religion managed by that same ethnicity or religion? I bet the number isn't small.
- Spooky23 3y agoSure. How do you prove that a landlord determined that your last name didn’t match some list and you’ve spent time in Dearborn, MI?
- cookieperson 3y agoIt's really hard for poor people or even moderately wealthy people to enter legal battles like these against corporations. A corp can delay trial for five yrs. Having a lawyer on retainer for even 4 months would bankrupt most Americans... The law isn't really about what's right, but who can pay to decide what is.
- mathisfun123 3y ago> I certainly could pay any fine that would be assessed, because that fine would be assessed zero times. ah the "if you have nothing to hide" approach. people that occupy this perspective never withstand the level of scrutiny they espouse - i am 100% certain that if i observed you for a ~1 week i would find punishable offenses. and then you would wilt and say "well i didn't mean those things". yes that's the point - systems like this are aimed at a particular category of offenses and blind to another.
- iinnPP 3y agoThe poster only mentioned spitting, not every little offense.
- dghlsakjg 3y agoThe article mentioned a case of loaning someone their key fob to get groceries for them. The offender in question was a blind person being helped by an assistant. So, yes, EVERY little thing.
- iinnPP 3y agoThe poster specifically mentioned spitting and said nothing about the other scenario.
- dghlsakjg 3y agoThey were commenting on an article that mentioned the blind person that got swept up by the same technology. Spitting in public areas is bad, algorithmically threatening blind people with eviction for getting help is, in my view, an order of magnitude worse.
- mathisfun123 3y agothis is just more of the same thing that i'm pointing out - people who claim these kinds of retorts refrains have no imagination and/or have never been the victims of similar systems. yes, trust me (and absolutely everyone that rages against this), they do and will and must inevitably target every little offense.
- dennis_jeeves1 3y ago>I certainly could pay any fine that would be assessed, because that fine would be assessed zero times. You are so well damn so sure of that. Idiot.
- milsorgen 3y agoI can't recall the last minor crime I committed. Granted I know I must of committed crimes recently due to the state of our labyrinthine system. I don't even jaywalk when I'm out on my 1AM nights walks. I have trouble relating with that sentiment, its not hard to be a good member of your community. As for every faux pas? Well I came to terms with being recorded the moment I step out the door. I would of gladly fought with anyone to stop the encroachment of video surveillance but sadly few cared and now its too late. 3rd parties have probably been using most of that data for years by now. I am taking this article a big heap of salt, we need more accountability in this world not less. Now maybe this isn't the right way to go about it but what's the alternative? We dismantled much of our communities and families, stigmatized shaming people and all the natural human things that keep people following best practices in life have been dismantled or have fallen apart.
- Spooky23 3y agoYou’ve never rolled though a stop? Drove 28 in a 25? You say you walk at 1AM. Why? Maybe your pattern of walks aligns with when some Nextdoor.com Karen thinks there’s a pervert lurking around scaring her cats.
- Avshalom 3y ago>I know I must of committed crimes recently due to the state of our labyrinthine system Well hey good news, the cameras are automated now and they know all the crimes.