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The Fanfic Sex Trope That Caught a Plundering AI Red-Handed
- sublinear 3y ago> To be clear, what this means is that the AI model that is being used across the world for everything from customer service, to HR training, to journalism, knows what “knotting” is. Oh no! ... anyway.
- shrimp_emoji 3y agoIt hits me right in the puritanism!!
- im3w1l 3y agoAnd, as the article itself points out, this phenomenon is taken directly from the animal world.
- im3w1l 3y ago(I forgot to state the implication: that it would have known about it from that context even without ingesting fan-erotica)
- gedy 3y agoI am not a rah-rah AI person, but I logically have a hard time with complaints about training on publicly accessible content. If your eyes can see it for free, it ends up "training" your brain. If creators don't want that, do not make the content public, and only make it only available via paid routes.
- brianwawok 3y agoBut does a paywall even matter? A book for sale is copyright. I can’t make a duplicate of it and sell it. But I can read it and learn, and use that knowledge for life. Why can’t an AI model be fed a paid book and learn from it? Say feed it an entire library of books.
- oblib 3y agoAI is not really learning from it. It's gathering and distributing real folks hard work and maybe making a few slight changes in the language used to describe it so it's more akin to stealing or plagiarizing other's work.
- tourmalinetaco 3y agoWhat you just described is teaching, essays, and just about any form of summarized content. You cannot “steal” information. Me attaining that knowledge does not deprive others of it. You could make an argument for copyright infringement, but honestly, who cares? Me asking an AI does not deprive others of say a book sale, because inherently I am unlikely to be interested in a book on that topic if I just want the magic black box to give me a possibly hallucinated answer instead.
- gaganyaan 3y agoThat's completely wrong. Please try to understand the basics of how this works.
- oblib 3y agoWell let's see. I think what it does is scan the internet for information and associates that with queries asking for specific information. At it's best it could provide insight for new ways to create things one might want to create, and at it's worse it might plagiarize real human's hard work and present it with no reference to those works.
- zimpenfish 3y agohttps://archive.ph/oOggq https://archive.ph/oOggq
- oblib 3y agoSo it's bascially a plagiarism machine pretending to be a "know everything" machine?
- tourmalinetaco 3y agoNo more a plagiarism machine than the human mind already is.
- pixl97 3y agoNo and the article is pretty much bullshit through and through.
- jchw 3y agoWired seems to fail to establish how this is relevant or significant in any way. It sounds like they're mostly trying to gross you out and then be like "See, this data set trained stuff like Notion AI!" Okay, but most of us humans know about some pretty unappealing things too. I don't really get it though. While this may be a specific trope, the internet is highly memetic and like anything else it did not stay contained within a very specific community. How do I know this? Well, for one thing, there's a Jezebel article about it from 2014. I'm all for critiquing AI but this is just completely pointless shit, at least from what I'm able to read of the article bypassing the paywall prompt. I used to have a subscription to Wired and I'm increasingly embarrassed about it.
- fenomas 3y agoThis article seems weird. Omegaverse is quite well-known as fandoms go[0], so it seems like exactly the kind of thing you'd expect an AI trained largely on web content to know about. And if there's any doubt you could always check common-crawl, and surely find it there. So why the "caught red handed" stuff? It seems like TFA's author wanted to write an article about the ethics of training AIs on open sources without permission, and included a bunch of stuff about kink fandom just to be salacious. [0] It went somewhat viral a few years ago when several of its authors, having gotten popular enough to publish paper books, started suing each other for plagiarism and lots of media coverage ensued.
- mcphage 3y ago> Omegaverse is quite well-known as fandoms go[0] I think this article was written for people who aren’t familiar with any fandoms: https://xkcd.com/2501/ https://xkcd.com/2501/
- fenomas 3y agoI was suggesting that TFA's author should know that the red-handed stuff doesn't make sense, not that its typical reader should.
- tourmalinetaco 3y agoHell, I’m rather experienced on the fandom side of things and the term “Omegaverse” was completely foreign to me. I think I’ve only ever seen it as A/B/O.
- zajio1am 3y agoI do not think that 'knotting' is specific to Omegaverse, that is likely part of many texts from intersection of 'dogs' and 'sex'.
- mock-possum 3y agoWait, am I missing something? I don’t see any example of Sudowrite suggesting ‘knotting’ in response to a prompt. Why bring it up and then not demonstrate it? Just for the sake of titillation? Don’t tease us, wired, make the robot write us some smut! I’m like 99% certain that the concept of knots in the furry fandom predates it’s use in the omegaverse - people have been wanting to be fucked by werewolves long before the Supernatural fandom ever got started. People like, for instance, Anita Blake, a book series which also predates the omegaverse, and includes the concept of biological and psychic linkages resulting in mating (with monsters.) In summary, I am not impressed with Wired here.
- teddyh 3y ago> Critics argue that if the only way your system can function is by using work against people’s wishes, then perhaps the system itself is fundamentally morally flawed. Certainly. Or, perhaps, the idea that an author should have any say over what the rest of the world does to copies of the work which they originated – i.e. copyright – is the flawed idea. But one of them has got to give. We can either have large language models trained on everything, or we can have strict copyrights. But not both.
- tourmalinetaco 3y agoCopyright isn’t an inherently flawed idea, what’s flawed is the corporatization of it far beyond its original scope in order to protect a single overhyped cartoon mouse and sustain media empires.
- teddyh 3y agoThat’s debatable: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Criticism_of_copyright&oldid=1151474898 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Criticism_of_copy...