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"Why hasn’t the number of deaths by suicide decreased?" That housing and groceries is getting more and more expensive certainly doesn't help with that... Of c

"Why hasn’t the number of deaths by suicide decreased?" That housing and groceries is getting more and more expensive certainly doesn't help with that... Of course, not so many people in this world suffer anymore from hunger but in the last years additional problems came up. I know some older people who think that Depression is just a excuse for not wanting to work but these older people had it easier to build or buy a house than my generation - so I think more that the rising Depression in many is a symptom for an live which gets more and more difficult and them not being able to deal with it.

ChuckNorris89 3y ago
> these older people had it easier to build or buy a house than my generation Also easier in finding a job with an employer that would invest in your training and invest in the community and a stable economy where your wages, purchasing power and savings weren't obliterated overnight through the stroke of a pen that also pushed housing prices up by the same amount. The fabric of society and community has degraded in the last couple of decades since the 2008 bust and it hasn't gotten any better. It's now "grab everything you can while you can, screw everyone else, or be poor".
Name_Chawps 3y ago
You truly think housing and food have anything to do with it? We live in the richest society in history, and also the most suicidal. Why don't people living in true poverty around the world feel depressed and kill themselves like we do? Why do we kill ourselves? It's because we have no communities anymore. Many of us are alone. Some call it a loneliness epidemic. And we've replaced community with social media. Our society is sick, and it has nothing to do with needing more housing or whatever your pet political issue is.
- s1artibartfast 3y ago
  I think it is more than just loss of communities, although that is a big part of it. It is also a hallowing out of the human experience and the inability to enjoy simple pleasures available to anyone alive. Consumerism is so deeply entrenched in the minds of people that they usually blame their unhappiness on a lack of material goods and external factors. Meanwhile, There are millions or billions of people who can find pleasure and satisfaction with with practically nothing. Enjoying a quiet cup of tea in hovels, reading books for pleasure, or taking in everyday beauty. To me, this indicates that a large part of dissatisfaction on depression are about mindset, which should be obvious.
  - harimau777 3y ago
    If they have a spouse and kids, then perhaps they are simply better off than someone who is wealthy but alone.
    - s1artibartfast 3y ago
      yeah, I think that is a big part of it. Or people who have friends, social groups, ect. It can also have to do with what you focus your attention and spend your time on. Maybe watching the 40+ hours of TV a week that average Americans do doesn't actually make people happier, and sitting around a coffee shop and playing games (a cheap and common past time in some poor countries), is better for mental health.
      - twelve40 3y ago
        maybe. I tried to play board games with my boys many times, but even something as simple and potentially enjoyable as Monopoly or cards quickly turns our warm relationship into a nasty pissing match. We actually turned to movies and shows for that reason (or more collaborative types of games but that's harder to come by)
        s1artibartfast 3y ago
        I don't know you or your family so I would never comment on whether I think your choices are healthy or not. My point was more General in that people can make poor choices for themselves that leave them unfulfilled and worse off.
  - Der_Einzige 3y ago
    Mental illness and mental issues are systemically underdiagnoaed in the third world. I do not believe for a single second that third worlders have better mental health than first worlders. The average third worlders has seen ultra traumatic experiences that simply do not happen to the average first worlder.
    - 3y ago
- Wronnay 3y ago
  > Why don't people living in true poverty around the world feel depressed and kill themselves like we do? That actually happens. There are just not enough statistics about that because nobody cares. I remember a documentary about a part in China with a very high suicide rate - mostly because people couldn't find a job. Another example would be the Irish Travellers - a community which has it hard to find a job and has a way higher suicide rate than the rest of the UK.
- badpun 3y ago
  > We live in the richest society in history, and also the most suicidal. Actually, the US is not even in top 30 of countries with most suicides per capita. And of course, it's probably better than most at actually keeping records, which means that it should be even lower down the list. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_r...
- firstplacelast 3y ago
  Absolutely, yes. I can’t speak for everyone, but for whatever reason those things cause me (a very middle-class person) a lot of stress. Maybe because of what I was taught or how I grew up or my experiences, which are not the same for everyone, but it’s still there. I’ve been food insecure, been temporarily homeless, had to bounce around from place to place without much money to my name when younger. Not being able to put down roots stresses me out. Will rent go up? Will landlord sell my place (has happened before), will I need to move to the middle of nowhere in my late 40’s and start all over building a community? I’m not looking for a nice SFH as a need, just a mediocre condo, but in a very expensive place. It’s where the jobs are, unfortunately. Relying on other people’s income (roommate/spouse) does not solve this issue for me. While there are many different issues for many different people, not being able to carve out a space for yourself is very stressful for many people. I’ve talked about this in therapy. Get married or look at all the poor people worse off is what I am told. Not helpful. It is what it is, I guess.
- imtringued 3y ago
  Don't Google suicide by fungicide in africa. The suicides are mostly caused by financial obligations, most commonly by farmers who borrowed money to buy proprietary seeds. People who practice subsistence agriculture have no financial obligations.

ChuckNorris89 3y ago

> these older people had it easier to build or buy a house than my generation Also easier in finding a job with an employer that would invest in your training and invest in the community and a stable economy where your wages, purchasing power and savings weren't obliterated overnight through the stroke of a pen that also pushed housing prices up by the same amount. The fabric of society and community has degraded in the last couple of decades since the 2008 bust and it hasn't gotten any better. It's now "grab everything you can while you can, screw everyone else, or be poor".

Name_Chawps 3y ago

You truly think housing and food have anything to do with it? We live in the richest society in history, and also the most suicidal. Why don't people living in true poverty around the world feel depressed and kill themselves like we do? Why do we kill ourselves? It's because we have no communities anymore. Many of us are alone. Some call it a loneliness epidemic. And we've replaced community with social media. Our society is sick, and it has nothing to do with needing more housing or whatever your pet political issue is.

s1artibartfast 3y ago
I think it is more than just loss of communities, although that is a big part of it. It is also a hallowing out of the human experience and the inability to enjoy simple pleasures available to anyone alive. Consumerism is so deeply entrenched in the minds of people that they usually blame their unhappiness on a lack of material goods and external factors. Meanwhile, There are millions or billions of people who can find pleasure and satisfaction with with practically nothing. Enjoying a quiet cup of tea in hovels, reading books for pleasure, or taking in everyday beauty. To me, this indicates that a large part of dissatisfaction on depression are about mindset, which should be obvious.
- harimau777 3y ago
  If they have a spouse and kids, then perhaps they are simply better off than someone who is wealthy but alone.
  - s1artibartfast 3y ago
    yeah, I think that is a big part of it. Or people who have friends, social groups, ect. It can also have to do with what you focus your attention and spend your time on. Maybe watching the 40+ hours of TV a week that average Americans do doesn't actually make people happier, and sitting around a coffee shop and playing games (a cheap and common past time in some poor countries), is better for mental health.
    - twelve40 3y ago
      maybe. I tried to play board games with my boys many times, but even something as simple and potentially enjoyable as Monopoly or cards quickly turns our warm relationship into a nasty pissing match. We actually turned to movies and shows for that reason (or more collaborative types of games but that's harder to come by)
      - s1artibartfast 3y ago
        I don't know you or your family so I would never comment on whether I think your choices are healthy or not. My point was more General in that people can make poor choices for themselves that leave them unfulfilled and worse off.
- Der_Einzige 3y ago
  Mental illness and mental issues are systemically underdiagnoaed in the third world. I do not believe for a single second that third worlders have better mental health than first worlders. The average third worlders has seen ultra traumatic experiences that simply do not happen to the average first worlder.
  - 3y ago
Wronnay 3y ago
> Why don't people living in true poverty around the world feel depressed and kill themselves like we do? That actually happens. There are just not enough statistics about that because nobody cares. I remember a documentary about a part in China with a very high suicide rate - mostly because people couldn't find a job. Another example would be the Irish Travellers - a community which has it hard to find a job and has a way higher suicide rate than the rest of the UK.
badpun 3y ago
> We live in the richest society in history, and also the most suicidal. Actually, the US is not even in top 30 of countries with most suicides per capita. And of course, it's probably better than most at actually keeping records, which means that it should be even lower down the list. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_r...
firstplacelast 3y ago
Absolutely, yes. I can’t speak for everyone, but for whatever reason those things cause me (a very middle-class person) a lot of stress. Maybe because of what I was taught or how I grew up or my experiences, which are not the same for everyone, but it’s still there. I’ve been food insecure, been temporarily homeless, had to bounce around from place to place without much money to my name when younger. Not being able to put down roots stresses me out. Will rent go up? Will landlord sell my place (has happened before), will I need to move to the middle of nowhere in my late 40’s and start all over building a community? I’m not looking for a nice SFH as a need, just a mediocre condo, but in a very expensive place. It’s where the jobs are, unfortunately. Relying on other people’s income (roommate/spouse) does not solve this issue for me. While there are many different issues for many different people, not being able to carve out a space for yourself is very stressful for many people. I’ve talked about this in therapy. Get married or look at all the poor people worse off is what I am told. Not helpful. It is what it is, I guess.
imtringued 3y ago
Don't Google suicide by fungicide in africa. The suicides are mostly caused by financial obligations, most commonly by farmers who borrowed money to buy proprietary seeds. People who practice subsistence agriculture have no financial obligations.