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Often I find Americans have a lot more confidence in their skills than they should.

by 4pkjai 3y ago

spacephysics 3y ago
Full armchair conjecture, but if someone has more confidence in their skills than they should, typically that leads them to try things that they otherwise may not have attempted? Seeing failure as a precondition to improvement seems more valuable to me, than the inverse of: I’m not as skilled as I think I am, therefore I will not try XYZ thing. This then is a feedback loop of either slower or “negative” improvement overtime. This goes without saying that for some cases over confidence can be detrimental: I was confident I was a good snow boarder despite going only a few times years back, and decided to start back up going down a blue trail, only to end up needing knee surgery.
- giantg2 3y ago
  "I’m not as skilled as I think I am, therefore I will not try XYZ thing." Or you try it knowing there is a learning curve and that you will never be great. People can still participate and enjoy things knowing they are only mediocre at that.
  - shrimp_emoji 3y ago
    That's me with programming, and it's my favorite pastime regardless. :D
- re-thc 3y ago
  > but if someone has more confidence in their skills than they should, typically that leads them to try things that they otherwise may not have attempted? Not always. They can also be blinded by the current state of things instead of thinking of new solutions or challenging the status quo. People can be over confident in their code and refuse to write tests or their assumptions based on old knowledge and go down the wrong path...
keyle 3y ago
Agreed, but somehow they end up pulling it off on the other side, so who knows...
- deleted 3y ago
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usrusr 3y ago
My impression is that they are locked in an arms race of confidence and ambition. If we take a step back those are qualities that work best in moderation, balanced with other qualities that are in some ways opposite (realism and modesty perhaps?). But when one side of those balancing acts gets into focus too much it can become an arms race, a success metric that in a way becomes self-fulfilling more than it deserves. If we look closely, and freed somehow from our baseline expectations (to an American, confidence arms race will just feel normal), we can probably detect similar patterns in just about any community.
- CoastalCoder 3y ago
  Excellent observation! As an American software developer, it rings pretty true. Funny personal anecdote: Hiring manager: "Why should we hire you?" Me: "I'm not sure you should. It depends on the quality of your other applicants." I'm still tickled by how much that caught them off guard. Radical honesty is one of my mild-Asperger superpowers :)
  - peteradio 3y ago
    Me: Asks a question. Someone: Wow thats a good idea! Me: Uhh I think it might be a terrible idea.
throwaway894345 3y ago
I’m an American, but I certainly think my life is better for my tendency to bias myself toward a belief in my own capability. If I’m wrong, I fall short of my goal and learn some valuable lessons, but I’m always better off than if I hadn’t tried. I try a lot more things than I would if I believed I weren’t capable, which means I learn more than I otherwise would (including learning from failure), and all of this extra knowledge makes me more capable than I would be if I settled for a pessimistic view of my capability. Whatever your attitude toward Americans, I think you would be doing yourself a disservice by settling for a small view of your potential.

Often I find Americans have a lot more confidence in their skills than they should.

by 4pkjai 3y ago

Often I find Americans have a lot more confidence in their skills than they should.

Full armchair conjecture, but if someone has more confidence in their skills than they should, typically that leads them to try things that they otherwise may not have attempted? Seeing failure as a precondition to improvement seems more valuable to me, than the inverse of: I’m not as skilled as I think I am, therefore I will not try XYZ thing. This then is a feedback loop of either slower or “negative” improvement overtime. This goes without saying that for some cases over confidence can be detrimental: I was confident I was a good snow boarder despite going only a few times years back, and decided to start back up going down a blue trail, only to end up needing knee surgery.

giantg2 3y ago
"I’m not as skilled as I think I am, therefore I will not try XYZ thing." Or you try it knowing there is a learning curve and that you will never be great. People can still participate and enjoy things knowing they are only mediocre at that.
- shrimp_emoji 3y ago
  That's me with programming, and it's my favorite pastime regardless. :D
re-thc 3y ago
> but if someone has more confidence in their skills than they should, typically that leads them to try things that they otherwise may not have attempted? Not always. They can also be blinded by the current state of things instead of thinking of new solutions or challenging the status quo. People can be over confident in their code and refuse to write tests or their assumptions based on old knowledge and go down the wrong path...

keyle 3y ago

Agreed, but somehow they end up pulling it off on the other side, so who knows...

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usrusr 3y ago

My impression is that they are locked in an arms race of confidence and ambition. If we take a step back those are qualities that work best in moderation, balanced with other qualities that are in some ways opposite (realism and modesty perhaps?). But when one side of those balancing acts gets into focus too much it can become an arms race, a success metric that in a way becomes self-fulfilling more than it deserves. If we look closely, and freed somehow from our baseline expectations (to an American, confidence arms race will just feel normal), we can probably detect similar patterns in just about any community.

CoastalCoder 3y ago
Excellent observation! As an American software developer, it rings pretty true. Funny personal anecdote: Hiring manager: "Why should we hire you?" Me: "I'm not sure you should. It depends on the quality of your other applicants." I'm still tickled by how much that caught them off guard. Radical honesty is one of my mild-Asperger superpowers :)
- peteradio 3y ago
  Me: Asks a question. Someone: Wow thats a good idea! Me: Uhh I think it might be a terrible idea.

throwaway894345 3y ago

I’m an American, but I certainly think my life is better for my tendency to bias myself toward a belief in my own capability. If I’m wrong, I fall short of my goal and learn some valuable lessons, but I’m always better off than if I hadn’t tried. I try a lot more things than I would if I believed I weren’t capable, which means I learn more than I otherwise would (including learning from failure), and all of this extra knowledge makes me more capable than I would be if I settled for a pessimistic view of my capability. Whatever your attitude toward Americans, I think you would be doing yourself a disservice by settling for a small view of your potential.