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Autonomous vehicle drove through police tape at a crime scene in San Francisco
- botanical 3y agoNone of these cars should be beta testing on the public road. Everyone knows of Tesla's woes, but I remember seeing on YouTube a Waymo car not being able to proceed past an orange traffic cone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4O9QfUE5uI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4O9QfUE5uI All of them have absolutely poor implementations of "AI" and should not be trusted with human life.
- bagacrap 3y agoI mean Tesla and Waymo are hardly similar, just like failing to proceed past an orange cone is very different from putting someone's like at risk.
- ethanbond 3y agoThey have to be tested on public roads at some point, don’t they? Tesla’s approach seem many tiers more reckless than Cruise/Waymo to me.
- bombcar 3y agoCan’t they at least hire a driver to sit in the car?
- ethanbond 3y agoThey have/do! And and at some point they have to remove them and they’re probably still going to encounter situations they don’t handle perfectly. Seems to me these cars just need a way for someone outside of the car to halt the car and call for a remote driver and open up communications.
- MandieD 3y agoSo who gets cited for interfering with a crime scene in this case?
- hulitu 3y agoIn a perfect world the company which operates those vehicles, represented by the CEO (see VW).
- lawn 3y agoYes, but I also think the driver has some responsibility. So they should both pay for it.
- viraptor 3y agoThe tweet doesn't contain many details, but an "autonomous vehicle" in that area could actually mean no driver.
- lopkeny12ko 3y agoEven Autopilot, the most advanced autonomous vehicle technology currently available to consumers, requires consistent driver attention at all times.
- AHOHA 3y agoSo technically and officially bots are leading humans now!
- JoeAltmaier 3y agoThis whole snafu is just because different parts of transportation are lagging. The whole technology needs some integration. No-go zones are already available for robo-vacuums. Maybe that crime tape needs some rfid tags in it or something. And why don't cars have an RFID VIN tag? So I could open an account and just drive into my parking garage, drive out again without stopping? Or park in any outdoor city space and be charged similarly? My car wash for heaven's sake has this. But I have to stick a doohickey on the inside of the windshield when I register my contract. The solutions are mostly simple. It's only waiting for regulation/integration.
- misnome 3y ago> Maybe that crime tape needs some rfid tags in it or something. Or maybe, tech companies shouldn’t be testing tech incapable of following laws on public roads.
- mattpallissard 3y ago> The solutions are mostly simple. It's only waiting for regulation/integration. Oh for fucks sake, the solution is already as simple as it can get; don't cross a police line. This is already a solved problem.
- FooBarBizBazz 3y ago> the solution is already as simple as it can get; don't cross a police line. "Why the fuck can't Linux just find all the pictures I have of my dog? Who the fuck doesn't know what a dog is? Are these programmers morons?" Later: "Just send an email every Wednesday at 3pm. How fucking hard can it be?" (Wikipedia: "Leap seconds are irregularly spaced because the Earth's rotation speed changes irregularly. Indeed, the Earth's rotation is quite unpredictable in the long term, which explains why leap seconds are announced only six months in advance. [...] Other contributing factors are the movement of the Earth's crust relative to its core, changes in mantle convection, and any other events or processes that cause a significant redistribution of mass. [...] For example, glacial rebound shortens the solar day by 0.6 ms/century and the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake is thought to have shortened it by 2.68 microseconds.") "I don't care, Hennimore, just do the fucking Wednesday thing. And make Linux get my photos of Cupcake."
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- Kim_Bruning 3y agoDo the autonomous vehicles have an Emergency-stop button somewhere?
- jcoder 3y agoAutonomous vehicles should be required to have a “kill zone”: a little square—away from any potential passengers—that cops can shoot to disable the vehicle entirely. If it were a human driving into a crime scene they wouldn’t hesitate, how come when it’s a driverless car all they can say is “oh, hey, stop… what should we do here?”
- colechristensen 3y agoThis is a terrible terrible idea.
- jcoder 3y agoSure it’s extreme, but I’d argue the “terrible terrible” idea is allowing the tyranny of beta software to run roughshod on the road, while the humans have to cope
- adhesive_wombat 3y agoThis is the most American solution to a problem that I have encountered for quite some time.
- bombcar 3y agoSomeone doesn’t know how guns work, and it’s not the wombat.
- playingalong 3y agoNot only an American solution, but also an American problem.
- nullsense 3y agoIt's called the tyres.
- thro1 3y agoSame here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32828898#32833 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32828898#32833 (no one noticed).
- aprasadh 3y agoNo, that was ethically conscious vehicle surrendering to the police for the crime committed. Now vehicles needs some compassion.
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- metacritic12 3y agoEvery time something like this makes the news, I would like to ask: 1. How many total vehicle-miles have this level of autonomous vehicles driven in all of history? 2. How many times has an incident like this happened? 3. Now what's that ratio for humans. Truth of the matter is, if the event was "One [bad] driver drove through police tape" this wouldn't be a story. I know even single-events are illustrative without a denominator, but it's hard to think about how much to fault autonomous vehicles as a whole without that.
- colechristensen 3y agoEvery time someone posts this kind of response i wonder who is the apologist for the human who does something like this because normally functioning people never would, you have a robot that being hailed for its driving perfection acting like a drunk or a psychopath and people trying to convince you it’s not so bad because it’s brothers statistically don’t do it that often.
- proc0 3y agoI'd just like to point out one substantial difference. The autonomous part of the car is software so when if fails in a strange way that is also dangerous the natural question is how much is this going to happen across all the cars that have this software, and also how much can engineers understand why this happened to prevent it in the future. The answers to those questions are not straight forward so even a single incident has much wider implications than a human making a mistake.
- schiffern 3y ago>if fails in a strange way that is also dangerous the natural question is how much is this going to happen across all the cars that have this software If an AI messes up, it might do it again. If a human driver messes up, another human driver might do it again. I'm not seeing a substantial difference. Humans aren't all running the same software of course, but that just introduces some [additional] probabilistic uncertainty to our estimate. Fundamentally the situation with human drivers remains the same (or worse). In fact, we can be 100% certain that the 'human software' running on all the other cars on the road is not bug-free! > and also how much can engineers understand why this happened to prevent it in the future This is legitimately a substantial difference. Yet this difference is an advantage for autonomous cars, while the reaction to these headlines is almost universally negative toward the technology.
- rahimnathwani 3y agoThe pic was taken less than 5 mins' walk from my home. AFAIK from local news reports, police were involved in a standoff with someone in a residence above a grocery store. That person was shot and killed. None of the news reports mentioned any crime being committed on the roadway. https://missionlocal.org/2023/05/police-shooting-bosworth/ https://missionlocal.org/2023/05/police-shooting-bosworth/
- villgax 3y agoThis means that governments need to have a system of updating the public about any action, diversion on public infra as fast as possible