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Stanford professor says US is reverse-engineering downed UFOs
- akmarinov 3y agoWell i hope so, we need to be able to standup to those bastards
- z3t4 3y agoI was exited about UFOs until I discovered special relatvity.
- nradov 3y agoIf UFOs are real then that necessarily implies the existence of some new physics beyond general relativity. We thought that Newtonian mechanics could explain everything about motion until we learned that it is only an approximation of relativity. Is it possible that relativity is only an approximation of some more comprehensive theory? Perhaps not, and I am highly skeptical of the whole concept of UFOs in general, but I can't prove a negative.
- rozal 3y agoEnter quantum physics
- krapp 3y agoQuantum physics doesn't violate relativity any more than relativity violates Newton - this is a common myth, but really each model builds on and depends upon the validity of the others, rather than each cancelling the others out. Things like quantum teleportation and entanglement, for instance, are still restricted by the speed of light. Even gravity is restricted by the speed of light - this has been proven experimentally. TANSTAAFL.
- rozal 3y agoquantum gravity may introduce new phenomena related to the behavior of matter and energy. For example, it is hypothesized that quantum gravity effects could lead to violations of certain symmetries or the emergence of new particles or forces, or a method of propulsion.
- krapp 3y ago"Quantum gravity" doesn't even exist as a coherently defined theory yet, there are numerous incomplete models full of flaws, none of which accurately model physics or make predictions well enough to be useful. It certainly isn't in the same weight class of provable science (as in we already build technology that depends on it, and wouldn't work if it wasn't valid) as quantum mechanics, despite sharing the word "quantum."
- rozal 3y agoSo did nuclear physics before the bomb dropped
- krapp 3y ago..no? The Manhattan project was only possible because the science behind nuclear physics was well established enough that its consequences became obvious. Again, as I said earlier, as a result of work that built upon and validated earlier work. You don't even get to the point of building an atomic bomb without thoroughly understanding the principles - and all of those principles were in line with physics as it was understood at the time. Building the bomb was an issue of technology and resources, not exotic, unproven science.
- rozal 3y agoSo I guess there was never withheld science in the Manhattan project - correct? And those spies leaking details to the soviets, why bother - it's common knowledge - right? United States is doing the same thing with the Quantum age. Do you think the military is waiting around for mainstream science to protect its economy and military from quantum computers? No. They are pioneering it, in secret.
- BizarroLand 3y agoThere are a decent number of ways that interstellar travel could be accomplished without violating Relativity or requiring super-scifi tech. Generational ships, species that require fewer resources to thrive or that have manipulable hibernation abilities (for instance, if they have antifreeze blood like some jellyfish do, then they could theoretically be kept in suspended animation for a long time without aging or risk of boredom), or if they are incredibly long lived compared to humans for one reason or another. Our best telescopes today can see oxygen in the atmosphere of planets that no living human could ever possibly set foot on regardless of what we did. It's possible that another different civilization could have noticed our planet and sent out a scout vessel 200 years ago just to see if it was a viable alternative planet for them to colonize. But aside from the fun talk of scifi space travel possibilities, I am also very skeptical of UFOs and alien life forms being close enough to meet us during my lifetime. I would need to see them in person to believe that it wasn't yet another hoax.
- krapp 3y agoIf they were using generation ships, we would definitely see them because there is no stealth in space and they would have to have a visible heat signature, and they wouldn't be hovering and zipping around the way UFOs are reported to. If we have to take UFO reports at their word, just for the sake of argument, what is described at the very least appears to have some form of non-reactive propulsion that acts like gravity control. Just them being able to move at high velocities without creating a sonic boom or any visible means of propulsion would put them in the realm of using some kind of weird new physics we don't understand.
- BizarroLand 3y agoMaybe. I wonder if solving how to manipulate gravity would also provide a method of surpassing the speed of light at least within a specific bubble?
- krapp 3y agoEven if something like an Alcubierre drive were possible, I wouldn't be surprised if there turned out to be some kind of catch that still limited you to the speed of light.
- sgbeal 3y ago> If UFOs are real then that necessarily implies the existence of some new physics beyond general relativity. One explanation (which i can obviously neither confirm nor deny) is that aliens don't come from Far Away, but from neighboring dimensions.
- krapp 3y agoI'm not an expert but from what little I know from a casual interest in these things, crossing dimensions should be even less possible than going faster than light. Like you would need to burn the energy of an entire universe to do it.
- worik 3y ago> If UFOs are real then that necessarily implies the existence of some new physics beyond general relativity. Why? If I lived for a million years then interstellar travel would be feasible for me with the physics we know. We have trouble defining "life" in general terms because we only know of this planet. If intelligent life developed (some say it has developed here :-) in the universe then there is no predicting what form it would take. We may not recognise it, or it us
- RealityVoid 3y agoMaybe yes, maybe no? I mean, presuming the limitation that you can't travel faster than light and you have beings with highly advanced technology somewhere "near" as in < 100 light years away, it would be possible they decided to send an expedition our way sometime ago and they're hanging around somewhere in the solar system. They could have tech that makes this less of a inconvenience than it would be for us. If for example if they had some way of hibernating the interstellar travel time, but any sort of help from the home planet would still be decades away, staying put, observing and limited contact would be a possible kind of behavior one might choose. They would be technologically advanced, but still lack the numbers for any kind of "safe" interaction with us from their point of view.
- el_don_almighty 3y agoThat's why I wear my 'WWSSAT' wristband.. What Would Sabine Say About This? She says there might be a chance...
- meepmorp 3y ago> Dr Nolan, a Professor of Pathology at Stanford University School of Medicine who has published more than 300 research articles and holds 40 US patents Ah, well.
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- birdyrooster 3y agoRecently grift and fraud have been uncovered between DoD and UAP community. Basically DoD leaks bs unfalsifiable info and private citizens profit by marketing using the excitement generated by the involvement of government agencies. We are starting to look spectacularly goofy and corrupt.
- deelowe 3y agoCan you explain? What grift and fraud?
- birdyrooster 3y agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XD4gQS_-qY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XD4gQS_-qY
- birdyrooster 3y agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwfaAz9kxcc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwfaAz9kxcc
- worik 3y ago> Recently grift and fraud have been uncovered between DoD and UAP community Interesting Reference?
- birdyrooster 3y agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XD4gQS_-qY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XD4gQS_-qY
- birdyrooster 3y agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwfaAz9kxcc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwfaAz9kxcc
- birdyrooster 3y agoEh he has grandchildren and the private-DoD grift will support their futures, I for one support our new alien overlords.
- EddieEngineers 3y agoComing from someone who would love this article to be real, it sounds like a real wack job. "100% certainty aliens are among us" because 12 politicians have signed a document asking for info on UFOs? That is such an insane leap...
- rozal 3y agoThese are just secret military craft, specifically the TAW50 https://youtu.be/lB4w2nAknIA https://youtu.be/lB4w2nAknIA. Not aliens. That’s just a cover story to conceal decades of research on quantum gravity mechanics.
- ruthie_cohen 3y agoThere’s zero credible evidence for this
- rozal 3y agoYes there is. https://www.navair.navy.mil/foia/sites/g/files/jejdrs566/files/document/%5Bfilename%5D/2022-006587%20FINAL%20VERSION%20AIAA%20EXPL%2002.pdf https://www.navair.navy.mil/foia/sites/g/files/jejdrs566/fil...
- krapp 3y agoNone of Salvatore Pais' claims or patents have ever been replicated or passed any kind of peer review, and scientists read him as a crackpot[0]. That the military is entertaining patents for his crackpottery doesn't make him a credible source. You might as well cite Bob Lazar and Lue Elizondo while you're at it. [0]https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/31798/the-secretive-inventor-of-the-navys-bizarre-ufo-patents-finally-talks https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/31798/the-secretive-in...
- rozal 3y agoSalvatore Pais works for Space Force now. Which parts of the patent were not valid? Military science is always far ahead of mainstream science. But yeah, must be aliens. Super logical
- nforgerit 3y agoI'm not deciding if I consider it true or false, I'm just thinking it would be a great plot twist in contemporary history.
- jb12 3y agonews dot com dot au is tabloid garbage, equivalent of the sun or the daily mail
- Gualdrapo 3y agoSeems it's a shame they have what someone not knowing the context would think is a "neutral" URL
- ruthie_cohen 3y agoI have to say I cringed when this link turned up on HN. I spend my life trying to get away from News Corp bullshit.
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- the__alchemist 3y ago> “what probability” he would assign. “One hundred per cent,” Dr Nolan said. This is not a statement a scientist would make.
- polotics 3y agoWell a scientist that can present material proof on the spot can say that. Someone that says that without then immediately presenting proof just disqualified themselves.
- wrp 3y agoStories like this always bring to mind the question, "What if it turns out that the aliens really care about patent infringement?"