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DeStantis' statements made it obvious this is political retaliation for speaking out against his legislation. I don't particularly care for either party, but Fl

DeStantis' statements made it obvious this is political retaliation for speaking out against his legislation. I don't particularly care for either party, but Florida taxpayers are going to end up paying the bill both in settlement money and in lost jobs due to the government open hostility / retribution towards their first amendment rights. https://reason.com/2023/05/16/ron-desantis-confirms-again-that-his-attack-on-disney-was-political-retribution/ https://reason.com/2023/05/16/ron-desantis-confirms-again-th...

andrewclunn 3y ago
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- belltaco 3y ago
  > Teachers preying on kids in school? First Amendment right! Got any sources or references I can read that backs this up?
  - andrewclunn 3y ago
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_aRzXXCv4s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_aRzXXCv4s
- scarface74 3y ago
  There are no teachers in Florida trying to turn your kids gay.
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- clipsy 3y ago
  > Kids praying in school? Violation of church and state. Teachers preying on kids in school? First Amendment right! Everything's so simple when you just live in a fantasy world.
- faefox 3y ago
  If you're really so worried about teachers preying on your kids (ah, the latest conservative boogeyman rears its head!) sending them to a religious school is statistically speaking the last thing you should do.
- smt88 3y ago
  Just to be clear, you believe that using a child's preferred pronouns, talking about periods, and acknowledging the existence of homosexuality are all "preying on kids"? Like if I were a gay teacher with a husband and said something about my husband, I'm preying on kids? Or if a school nurse tells a little girl not to be freaked out when she gets her period, that's preying on kids?
  - howinteresting 3y ago
    > Just to be clear, you believe that using a child's preferred pronouns A lot of conservatives do sincerely believe that. They're wrong, of course, but this is an actual belief that a lot of right-wing people (including right-wing medical professionals) both in the US and in Europe share.
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howinteresting 3y ago
Florida taxpayers get what they voted for, good and hard.
- smt88 3y ago
  Millions of them did not vote for this and will suffer anyway.
  - howinteresting 3y ago
    True, and normal people should find ways to get them out as soon as possible.
    - Clubber 3y ago
      Unfortunately there is no recall statute in Florida, they are stuck with him. https://ballotpedia.org/Laws_governing_recall_in_Florida#:~:text=Florida%20recall%20law%20does%20not,recall%20of%20elected%20state%20officials https://ballotpedia.org/Laws_governing_recall_in_Florida#:~:....
      - toast0 3y ago
        Florida voters could pass an initiative to add recalls to their constitution, presumably. And initiate a recall if it passes. A pretty high bar, but potentially doable.
gizmo686 3y ago
This isn't so much about hostility to first amendment rights, as it us about hostility to a massive and beloved corporation. Disney is the second largest employer in the state. Pays the state over $1billion in taxes, of the state's $100billion budget [1]. And has over 50 million anual visitor's in its Florida parks in a (pre pandemic) year; which is more than twice Florida's population [2], and about a third of their anual tourists [3]. If I were a politician, this is not a fight I would want to take on. [0] https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/data-download/enormous-numbers-desantis-fight-disney-rcna81019 https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/data-download/enormou... [1] https://www.floridapolicy.org/posts/florida-house-and-senate-fy-2023-24-budget-proposals-what-to-know-ahead-of-the-joint-budget-conference https://www.floridapolicy.org/posts/florida-house-and-senate... [2] https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/FL https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/FL [3] https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/florida-tourism-hits-record-number-in-2022/ https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/florida-tourism-hits-reco...
nocoiner 3y ago
I live in a republican sun belt state where the legislature’s politics have never matched my own (at least not as long as I’ve been able to vote), but until pretty recently, it was generally all mostly in the vein of smallish government, business friendly conservatism. Not necessarily my favorite, but not a dealbreaker. Now they’re tacking hard right on social issues, threatening to cripple our quite good public university systems, and trying to strip local governments of any meaningful self determination. Joke’s on me I guess, since I’m most likely not going to move my family, so looks like I’m gonna just bend over and take it. But it feels like we’re in the process of actively destroying our future and any remaining attraction for dynamic folks who might consider relocating or starting businesses here.
- yamtaddle 3y ago
  Similar situation (but not in the sun belt). Lived in this area all my life, always been a lot farther "left" on basically everything than the state's government, never been that big a deal aside from our taxes being way higher than they ought to be for how bad/absent government services are (which, to be fair, at least some poorly-governed red states have the good taste to also be low-tax—just not ours). Now? We're moving to a blue state, and don't consider it optional. Republicans got weirder after Palin, but have gone batshit crazy post-Trump. They're coming for schools & teachers. They're coming for libraries. My daughters might not be able to get medical care they need, as they get older (and no, not just abortions—my wife's gone through miscarriages and other issues that she'd have had to go out-of-state to treat under current laws, and has never had an abortion). God-for-fucking-bid any of my kids end up being LGBT and have to see their state governor working hard to make their lives worse. It's gone from a tolerable, if not ideal, situation I'd intended to stick out indefinitely and had been living with relatively contentedly for decades, to plainly intolerable, in a hurry. Way too much risk in sticking around. [EDIT] I don't mean that as criticism of your probably sticking around, to be clear. If our situation were different, we might too (or might not really have a choice).
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belltaco 3y ago
> Teachers preying on kids in school? First Amendment right! Got any sources or references I can read that backs this up?
- andrewclunn 3y ago
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_aRzXXCv4s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_aRzXXCv4s
scarface74 3y ago
There are no teachers in Florida trying to turn your kids gay.
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clipsy 3y ago
> Kids praying in school? Violation of church and state. Teachers preying on kids in school? First Amendment right! Everything's so simple when you just live in a fantasy world.
faefox 3y ago
If you're really so worried about teachers preying on your kids (ah, the latest conservative boogeyman rears its head!) sending them to a religious school is statistically speaking the last thing you should do.
smt88 3y ago
Just to be clear, you believe that using a child's preferred pronouns, talking about periods, and acknowledging the existence of homosexuality are all "preying on kids"? Like if I were a gay teacher with a husband and said something about my husband, I'm preying on kids? Or if a school nurse tells a little girl not to be freaked out when she gets her period, that's preying on kids?
- howinteresting 3y ago
  > Just to be clear, you believe that using a child's preferred pronouns A lot of conservatives do sincerely believe that. They're wrong, of course, but this is an actual belief that a lot of right-wing people (including right-wing medical professionals) both in the US and in Europe share.
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howinteresting 3y ago

Florida taxpayers get what they voted for, good and hard.

smt88 3y ago
Millions of them did not vote for this and will suffer anyway.
- howinteresting 3y ago
  True, and normal people should find ways to get them out as soon as possible.
  - Clubber 3y ago
    Unfortunately there is no recall statute in Florida, they are stuck with him. https://ballotpedia.org/Laws_governing_recall_in_Florida#:~:text=Florida%20recall%20law%20does%20not,recall%20of%20elected%20state%20officials https://ballotpedia.org/Laws_governing_recall_in_Florida#:~:....
    - toast0 3y ago
      Florida voters could pass an initiative to add recalls to their constitution, presumably. And initiate a recall if it passes. A pretty high bar, but potentially doable.

gizmo686 3y ago

This isn't so much about hostility to first amendment rights, as it us about hostility to a massive and beloved corporation. Disney is the second largest employer in the state. Pays the state over $1billion in taxes, of the state's $100billion budget [1]. And has over 50 million anual visitor's in its Florida parks in a (pre pandemic) year; which is more than twice Florida's population [2], and about a third of their anual tourists [3]. If I were a politician, this is not a fight I would want to take on. [0] https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/data-download/enormous-numbers-desantis-fight-disney-rcna81019 https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/data-download/enormou... [1] https://www.floridapolicy.org/posts/florida-house-and-senate-fy-2023-24-budget-proposals-what-to-know-ahead-of-the-joint-budget-conference https://www.floridapolicy.org/posts/florida-house-and-senate... [2] https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/FL https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/FL [3] https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/florida-tourism-hits-record-number-in-2022/ https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/florida-tourism-hits-reco...

nocoiner 3y ago

I live in a republican sun belt state where the legislature’s politics have never matched my own (at least not as long as I’ve been able to vote), but until pretty recently, it was generally all mostly in the vein of smallish government, business friendly conservatism. Not necessarily my favorite, but not a dealbreaker. Now they’re tacking hard right on social issues, threatening to cripple our quite good public university systems, and trying to strip local governments of any meaningful self determination. Joke’s on me I guess, since I’m most likely not going to move my family, so looks like I’m gonna just bend over and take it. But it feels like we’re in the process of actively destroying our future and any remaining attraction for dynamic folks who might consider relocating or starting businesses here.

yamtaddle 3y ago
Similar situation (but not in the sun belt). Lived in this area all my life, always been a lot farther "left" on basically everything than the state's government, never been that big a deal aside from our taxes being way higher than they ought to be for how bad/absent government services are (which, to be fair, at least some poorly-governed red states have the good taste to also be low-tax—just not ours). Now? We're moving to a blue state, and don't consider it optional. Republicans got weirder after Palin, but have gone batshit crazy post-Trump. They're coming for schools & teachers. They're coming for libraries. My daughters might not be able to get medical care they need, as they get older (and no, not just abortions—my wife's gone through miscarriages and other issues that she'd have had to go out-of-state to treat under current laws, and has never had an abortion). God-for-fucking-bid any of my kids end up being LGBT and have to see their state governor working hard to make their lives worse. It's gone from a tolerable, if not ideal, situation I'd intended to stick out indefinitely and had been living with relatively contentedly for decades, to plainly intolerable, in a hurry. Way too much risk in sticking around. [EDIT] I don't mean that as criticism of your probably sticking around, to be clear. If our situation were different, we might too (or might not really have a choice).
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