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There's nothing "fake" about those apps at least upon surface level investigation: OpenAI sold access to the ChatGPT and GPT-4 API, so opportunistic people made

by oefrha 3y ago

There's nothing "fake" about those apps at least upon surface level investigation: OpenAI sold access to the ChatGPT and GPT-4 API, so opportunistic people made chat apps "powered by" ChatGPT and GPT-4. They would be "fake" if they claim to be made by OpenAI, which they don't. So, on what ground do you suggest they should be blocked from submission? Slapping a custom UI on a third party API is fine, if a bit distasteful in certain situations. Tons of people on this very forum work on glorified wrappers.

minimaxir 3y ago
> They would be "fake" if they claim to be made by OpenAI, which they don't. Very many did that or implied an association with OpenAI, which is why OpenAI had to release updated branding guidelines (https://openai.com/brand https://openai.com/brand) and started enforcing takedowns against apps/domains using GPT in their name.
- oefrha 3y ago
  Sure, I was looking at the top apps just now. Apparently OpenAI is explicitly okay with WhateverChat powered by ChatGPT.
  - JimDabell 3y ago
    This is pretty typical for the App Store / Play Store and isn’t anything particular to OpenAI. If there is a third-party service Foo that app Bar uses, then “Foo Bar” is questionable for trademark reasons and the common practice is to use “Bar for Foo” instead.
lancesells 3y ago
> So, on what ground do you suggest they should be blocked from submission? Slapping a custom UI on a third party API is fine, if a bit distasteful in certain situations. I recall about a month of Show HN being largely populated by this same soft of thing. I'm definitely not arguing with misrepresentation of an official OpenAI app but there's a lot of this happening inside and outside the app store.
jameshart 3y ago
Here’s an interesting real-time shift in language happening. You just referred to these things as ‘chat apps’. And that seems reasonable - they use a chat interface. But they aren’t ‘chat apps’ as we would have understood them a few months ago. They don’t let you chat with people. They let you chat with an LLM. Is the word ‘chat’ changing its meaning?
- wahnfrieden 3y ago
  it changed the moment the product and api were named chatgpt …
- personjerry 3y ago
  The term "chatbot" has been around for a while so it's not really new to "chat" with a bot rather than a human
- alvah 3y ago
  "Is the word ‘chat’ changing its meaning?" Judging by the number of recently-launched apps that invite the user to "chat with PDFs" or "chat with documents", it would appear so.

by oefrha 3y ago

minimaxir 3y ago

> They would be "fake" if they claim to be made by OpenAI, which they don't. Very many did that or implied an association with OpenAI, which is why OpenAI had to release updated branding guidelines (https://openai.com/brand https://openai.com/brand) and started enforcing takedowns against apps/domains using GPT in their name.

oefrha 3y ago
Sure, I was looking at the top apps just now. Apparently OpenAI is explicitly okay with WhateverChat powered by ChatGPT.
- JimDabell 3y ago
  This is pretty typical for the App Store / Play Store and isn’t anything particular to OpenAI. If there is a third-party service Foo that app Bar uses, then “Foo Bar” is questionable for trademark reasons and the common practice is to use “Bar for Foo” instead.

lancesells 3y ago

> So, on what ground do you suggest they should be blocked from submission? Slapping a custom UI on a third party API is fine, if a bit distasteful in certain situations. I recall about a month of Show HN being largely populated by this same soft of thing. I'm definitely not arguing with misrepresentation of an official OpenAI app but there's a lot of this happening inside and outside the app store.

jameshart 3y ago

Here’s an interesting real-time shift in language happening. You just referred to these things as ‘chat apps’. And that seems reasonable - they use a chat interface. But they aren’t ‘chat apps’ as we would have understood them a few months ago. They don’t let you chat with people. They let you chat with an LLM. Is the word ‘chat’ changing its meaning?

wahnfrieden 3y ago
it changed the moment the product and api were named chatgpt …
personjerry 3y ago
The term "chatbot" has been around for a while so it's not really new to "chat" with a bot rather than a human
alvah 3y ago
"Is the word ‘chat’ changing its meaning?" Judging by the number of recently-launched apps that invite the user to "chat with PDFs" or "chat with documents", it would appear so.