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I'm sure that continuing to grow the population at an unsustainable rate will solve this. Need those new consumers to make the line on the graph go up, no matte

by bufio 3y ago

I'm sure that continuing to grow the population at an unsustainable rate will solve this. Need those new consumers to make the line on the graph go up, no matter the consequences.

adventured 3y ago
Europe, including the UK, is facing a population decline over the coming decades, not unsustainable population growth. The only way they'll get that sort of population expansion is if they enact very liberal immigration policies, which is not something most nations in Europe are signaling they're willing to do (quite the opposite so far).
- bufio 3y ago
  The estimated UK population is clearly growing; net migration has been in the positive hundreds of thousands nearly every year since 1998, even exceeding 500,000 in 2022. Why would this trend not only stop, but reverse for long enough to cause a significant population decline?
- Bran_son 3y ago
  UK net migration hits all-time record at 504,000 - https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-63743259 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-63743259 That's enough to make the UK ~40% immigrant in one lifetime (80 years). Given how rare it is for countries to change so significantly so fast, it's fair to say that they already have very liberal immigration. The UK population rose from 63 million in 2011, to 68 million in 2023, despite a below-replacement fertility rate of 1.74 [1]. While it's true that most nations in Europe want lower immigration [2,3,4], such sentiments rarely translate into policy, similar to the US. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom [2] Europeans overwhelmingly against immigration: Poll (2011) - https://www.euractiv.com/section/social-europe-jobs/news/europeans-overwhelmingly-against-immigration-poll/ https://www.euractiv.com/section/social-europe-jobs/news/eur... [3] Europeans Most Negative Toward Immigration (2015) - https://news.gallup.com/poll/186209/europeans-negative-toward-immigration.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/186209/europeans-negative-towar... [4] Poll reveals great unease among Europeans about migration policy (2022) - https://www.brusselsreport.eu/2022/02/01/poll-reveals-great-unease-among-europeans-about-migration-policy/ https://www.brusselsreport.eu/2022/02/01/poll-reveals-great-...

by bufio 3y ago

I'm sure that continuing to grow the population at an unsustainable rate will solve this. Need those new consumers to make the line on the graph go up, no matter the consequences.

adventured 3y ago

Europe, including the UK, is facing a population decline over the coming decades, not unsustainable population growth. The only way they'll get that sort of population expansion is if they enact very liberal immigration policies, which is not something most nations in Europe are signaling they're willing to do (quite the opposite so far).

bufio 3y ago
The estimated UK population is clearly growing; net migration has been in the positive hundreds of thousands nearly every year since 1998, even exceeding 500,000 in 2022. Why would this trend not only stop, but reverse for long enough to cause a significant population decline?
Bran_son 3y ago
UK net migration hits all-time record at 504,000 - https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-63743259 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-63743259 That's enough to make the UK ~40% immigrant in one lifetime (80 years). Given how rare it is for countries to change so significantly so fast, it's fair to say that they already have very liberal immigration. The UK population rose from 63 million in 2011, to 68 million in 2023, despite a below-replacement fertility rate of 1.74 [1]. While it's true that most nations in Europe want lower immigration [2,3,4], such sentiments rarely translate into policy, similar to the US. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom [2] Europeans overwhelmingly against immigration: Poll (2011) - https://www.euractiv.com/section/social-europe-jobs/news/europeans-overwhelmingly-against-immigration-poll/ https://www.euractiv.com/section/social-europe-jobs/news/eur... [3] Europeans Most Negative Toward Immigration (2015) - https://news.gallup.com/poll/186209/europeans-negative-toward-immigration.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/186209/europeans-negative-towar... [4] Poll reveals great unease among Europeans about migration policy (2022) - https://www.brusselsreport.eu/2022/02/01/poll-reveals-great-unease-among-europeans-about-migration-policy/ https://www.brusselsreport.eu/2022/02/01/poll-reveals-great-...