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>very many fake ChatGPT apps But its for our security to have a closed ecosyste---Walled Garden. Woah there, almost didn't stick to the marketing that we were

>very many fake ChatGPT apps But its for our security to have a closed ecosyste---Walled Garden. Woah there, almost didn't stick to the marketing that we were all taught.

latexr 3y ago
I don’t recall ever hearing Apple PR calling iOS a “walled garden”. Outside of tech I doubt most people would understand what that means. The operative word is “curated”.
- surgical_fire 3y ago
  So well curated, it seems.
  - latexr 3y ago
    “Curated” means “selected by experts”, not “good”. You can expertly curate for what makes you the most money, above all other metrics.
    - _ea1k 3y ago
      I'm pretty sure they advertised the curation as being for our benefit as users.
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- alvah 3y ago
  I too am surprised to learn Apple PR have never used a mild pejorative to describe their own product.
s3p 3y ago
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- rgoulter 3y ago
  It's suggesting that "the prevalence of 'fake' ChatGPT apps on the App Store" undermines reasons Apple has used to defend everything having to be installed through the App Store & Apple's app review process (e.g. lack of side loading, or taking such a high percentage out of app-related purchases).
  - Someone 3y ago
    I’m not a 100% fan of having a single app store, but if those apps are ‘fake’ in quotes they aren’t really fake, ‘just’ confusingly named, are they? If so, on what grounds could Apple deny them from being on the App Store? Given the enormous amount of apps using trademarked names in their name or description, I also guess trademark owners cannot request Apple to remove those apps. What Apple IMO should improve, though, is its search functionality. For example, when I search for “company name product name” (examples: “Microsoft Excel”, “Apple Numbers”, “Google Maps”), the top hits should be “Microsoft Excel”, “Numbers”, respectively “Google Maps - Transit & Food” (what marketeer came up with that name? To me, that signals “not the real Google Maps”)
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oefrha 3y ago
There's nothing "fake" about those apps at least upon surface level investigation: OpenAI sold access to the ChatGPT and GPT-4 API, so opportunistic people made chat apps "powered by" ChatGPT and GPT-4. They would be "fake" if they claim to be made by OpenAI, which they don't. So, on what ground do you suggest they should be blocked from submission? Slapping a custom UI on a third party API is fine, if a bit distasteful in certain situations. Tons of people on this very forum work on glorified wrappers.
- minimaxir 3y ago
  > They would be "fake" if they claim to be made by OpenAI, which they don't. Very many did that or implied an association with OpenAI, which is why OpenAI had to release updated branding guidelines (https://openai.com/brand https://openai.com/brand) and started enforcing takedowns against apps/domains using GPT in their name.
  - oefrha 3y ago
    Sure, I was looking at the top apps just now. Apparently OpenAI is explicitly okay with WhateverChat powered by ChatGPT.
    - JimDabell 3y ago
      This is pretty typical for the App Store / Play Store and isn’t anything particular to OpenAI. If there is a third-party service Foo that app Bar uses, then “Foo Bar” is questionable for trademark reasons and the common practice is to use “Bar for Foo” instead.
- lancesells 3y ago
  > So, on what ground do you suggest they should be blocked from submission? Slapping a custom UI on a third party API is fine, if a bit distasteful in certain situations. I recall about a month of Show HN being largely populated by this same soft of thing. I'm definitely not arguing with misrepresentation of an official OpenAI app but there's a lot of this happening inside and outside the app store.
faizmokh 3y ago
It's walled garden enough in that any developer that try to present their app to be associated with OpenAI or as an official app get their app rejected.

>very many fake ChatGPT apps But its for our security to have a closed ecosyste---Walled Garden. Woah there, almost didn't stick to the marketing that we were all taught.

latexr 3y ago

I don’t recall ever hearing Apple PR calling iOS a “walled garden”. Outside of tech I doubt most people would understand what that means. The operative word is “curated”.

surgical_fire 3y ago
So well curated, it seems.
- latexr 3y ago
  “Curated” means “selected by experts”, not “good”. You can expertly curate for what makes you the most money, above all other metrics.
  - _ea1k 3y ago
    I'm pretty sure they advertised the curation as being for our benefit as users.
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alvah 3y ago
I too am surprised to learn Apple PR have never used a mild pejorative to describe their own product.

s3p 3y ago

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rgoulter 3y ago
It's suggesting that "the prevalence of 'fake' ChatGPT apps on the App Store" undermines reasons Apple has used to defend everything having to be installed through the App Store & Apple's app review process (e.g. lack of side loading, or taking such a high percentage out of app-related purchases).
- Someone 3y ago
  I’m not a 100% fan of having a single app store, but if those apps are ‘fake’ in quotes they aren’t really fake, ‘just’ confusingly named, are they? If so, on what grounds could Apple deny them from being on the App Store? Given the enormous amount of apps using trademarked names in their name or description, I also guess trademark owners cannot request Apple to remove those apps. What Apple IMO should improve, though, is its search functionality. For example, when I search for “company name product name” (examples: “Microsoft Excel”, “Apple Numbers”, “Google Maps”), the top hits should be “Microsoft Excel”, “Numbers”, respectively “Google Maps - Transit & Food” (what marketeer came up with that name? To me, that signals “not the real Google Maps”)
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oefrha 3y ago

There's nothing "fake" about those apps at least upon surface level investigation: OpenAI sold access to the ChatGPT and GPT-4 API, so opportunistic people made chat apps "powered by" ChatGPT and GPT-4. They would be "fake" if they claim to be made by OpenAI, which they don't. So, on what ground do you suggest they should be blocked from submission? Slapping a custom UI on a third party API is fine, if a bit distasteful in certain situations. Tons of people on this very forum work on glorified wrappers.

minimaxir 3y ago
> They would be "fake" if they claim to be made by OpenAI, which they don't. Very many did that or implied an association with OpenAI, which is why OpenAI had to release updated branding guidelines (https://openai.com/brand https://openai.com/brand) and started enforcing takedowns against apps/domains using GPT in their name.
- oefrha 3y ago
  Sure, I was looking at the top apps just now. Apparently OpenAI is explicitly okay with WhateverChat powered by ChatGPT.
  - JimDabell 3y ago
    This is pretty typical for the App Store / Play Store and isn’t anything particular to OpenAI. If there is a third-party service Foo that app Bar uses, then “Foo Bar” is questionable for trademark reasons and the common practice is to use “Bar for Foo” instead.
lancesells 3y ago
> So, on what ground do you suggest they should be blocked from submission? Slapping a custom UI on a third party API is fine, if a bit distasteful in certain situations. I recall about a month of Show HN being largely populated by this same soft of thing. I'm definitely not arguing with misrepresentation of an official OpenAI app but there's a lot of this happening inside and outside the app store.

faizmokh 3y ago

It's walled garden enough in that any developer that try to present their app to be associated with OpenAI or as an official app get their app rejected.