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I note that this also appeared just days ago: https://www.irishtimes.com/business/2023/05/15/three-quarters-of-irish-data-watchdogs-data-privacy-decisions-since

I note that this also appeared just days ago: https://www.irishtimes.com/business/2023/05/15/three-quarters-of-irish-data-watchdogs-data-privacy-decisions-since-2018-overruled-report/ https://www.irishtimes.com/business/2023/05/15/three-quarter... I'm not quite sure what conclusions to draw.

TRiG_Ireland 3y ago
Ireland's DPC might be taking the hint that it needs to get stricter. The big companies come to Ireland for tax reasons, not for lax enforcement. Enforcement can get a lot stricter without losing them.
- tupac_speedrap 3y ago
  Nah, it's be another "cost of doing business" type fine, zero impact on Meta but it makes DPC look "tough" on enforcement.
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- joahua 3y ago
  The juxtaposition of those two ideas is interesting! It raises the spectre of low cost data transfer jurisdictions particularly from policy bloc arrangements. Essentially, what is the lowest cost data egress (defined in $/policy offence) from a given zone!
- wkat4242 3y ago
  They should really tune down the tax breaks too though. They're basically screwing the rest of Europe by allowing these companies to avoid taxes in the whole EU. Just for a few measly jobs (even Apple only has a few thousand employees in return for literally billions of revenue going through the country). https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/sep/25/european-commission-appeal-against-apple-tax-ruling-ireland https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/sep/25/european-... That money could really have been put to good use in the EU. The EU should present a more united front here IMO instead of allowing companies to cherry pick countries and make them compete against each other for the lowest tax rates. Cory Doctorow had a good article about it a few days ago: https://pluralistic.net/2023/05/15/finnegans-snooze/#dirty-old-town https://pluralistic.net/2023/05/15/finnegans-snooze/#dirty-o...
  - lifeisstillgood 3y ago
    Ireland was one of the signatories to Yellands global minimum Corp tax of 15%. Yeah being at 15% sucks compared to where other european companies sit, but the race to the bottom got cut off. it's a win
    - wkat4242 3y ago
      Yes but these companies don't pay that 15%. They all get special deals paying pretty much nothing. That's what that ongoing lawsuit is about by the EU against Apple. They're still trying to get almost 14 billion euro paid.
      - smugma 3y ago
        11%, below the Irish rate of 12.5% https://amp.theguardian.com/technology/2023/apr/09/profits-apple-irish-division-rise-to-69bn-corporation-tax https://amp.theguardian.com/technology/2023/apr/09/profits-a...
    - throwawaymobule 3y ago
      everywhere else in the EU also signed it, and the corporate tax rate wasn't even the lowest in the EU already. (Bulgaria was lower, and another eurozone country was tied)
  - negamax 3y ago
    It's by design. These companies can't pull this in any other EU country. Ireland was a relatively poor country 20 years ago. And is showered with money since then for its membership to the EU. Right question to ask is why did Germany, France allowed it. May be they foresaw that this was the only way to keep Ireland in the union or to get these companies in EU at the first place.
  - robertlagrant 3y ago
    > They're basically screwing the rest of Europe by allowing these companies to avoid taxes in the whole EU The EU was designed to allow countries to compete on this. > That money could really have been put to good use in the EU I really think this is a controversial statement. The money can be put to good use in Ireland as well, which is in the EU.

TRiG_Ireland 3y ago

Ireland's DPC might be taking the hint that it needs to get stricter. The big companies come to Ireland for tax reasons, not for lax enforcement. Enforcement can get a lot stricter without losing them.

tupac_speedrap 3y ago
Nah, it's be another "cost of doing business" type fine, zero impact on Meta but it makes DPC look "tough" on enforcement.
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joahua 3y ago
The juxtaposition of those two ideas is interesting! It raises the spectre of low cost data transfer jurisdictions particularly from policy bloc arrangements. Essentially, what is the lowest cost data egress (defined in $/policy offence) from a given zone!
wkat4242 3y ago
They should really tune down the tax breaks too though. They're basically screwing the rest of Europe by allowing these companies to avoid taxes in the whole EU. Just for a few measly jobs (even Apple only has a few thousand employees in return for literally billions of revenue going through the country). https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/sep/25/european-commission-appeal-against-apple-tax-ruling-ireland https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/sep/25/european-... That money could really have been put to good use in the EU. The EU should present a more united front here IMO instead of allowing companies to cherry pick countries and make them compete against each other for the lowest tax rates. Cory Doctorow had a good article about it a few days ago: https://pluralistic.net/2023/05/15/finnegans-snooze/#dirty-old-town https://pluralistic.net/2023/05/15/finnegans-snooze/#dirty-o...
- lifeisstillgood 3y ago
  Ireland was one of the signatories to Yellands global minimum Corp tax of 15%. Yeah being at 15% sucks compared to where other european companies sit, but the race to the bottom got cut off. it's a win
  - wkat4242 3y ago
    Yes but these companies don't pay that 15%. They all get special deals paying pretty much nothing. That's what that ongoing lawsuit is about by the EU against Apple. They're still trying to get almost 14 billion euro paid.
    - smugma 3y ago
      11%, below the Irish rate of 12.5% https://amp.theguardian.com/technology/2023/apr/09/profits-apple-irish-division-rise-to-69bn-corporation-tax https://amp.theguardian.com/technology/2023/apr/09/profits-a...
  - throwawaymobule 3y ago
    everywhere else in the EU also signed it, and the corporate tax rate wasn't even the lowest in the EU already. (Bulgaria was lower, and another eurozone country was tied)
- negamax 3y ago
  It's by design. These companies can't pull this in any other EU country. Ireland was a relatively poor country 20 years ago. And is showered with money since then for its membership to the EU. Right question to ask is why did Germany, France allowed it. May be they foresaw that this was the only way to keep Ireland in the union or to get these companies in EU at the first place.
- robertlagrant 3y ago
  > They're basically screwing the rest of Europe by allowing these companies to avoid taxes in the whole EU The EU was designed to allow countries to compete on this. > That money could really have been put to good use in the EU I really think this is a controversial statement. The money can be put to good use in Ireland as well, which is in the EU.