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Jotform domain seized by US due to user generated content
- drivebyacct2 15y ago>All they have to do is to ask Godaddy to take a site down.
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- cr1t1calh1t 15y agoFuck Godaddy. I have been a vocal proponent of Godaddy over the years - but no longer. Godaddy's involvement with and support of SOPA is reprehensible, but I was hoping their about-face was for real, but this action is the last nail. Look at jotform's nameservers: NS1.SUSPENDED-FOR.SPAM-AND-ABUSE.COM NS2.SUSPENDED-FOR.SPAM-AND-ABUSE.COM That's just great.... I've got hundred of domains registered at GD, but I'll be damned if they'll be there after tomorrow. cr1t1calh1t
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- paulgb 15y agoIt's "tomorrow" now, have you moved the domains?
- mixmax 15y agoIf you read through the comments there's a lot of angry users demanding refunds and questioning the service. There's a fair chance that they won't be able to bounce back after this. Especially if the domain doesn't come back up within a day or two. In other words, this might very well kill a company that someone worked hard to get off the ground. And if you have any usergenerated content it might happen to your company too. Apparently without due process, and without warning. This is preposterous.
- billpatrianakos 15y agoThose comments really got to me too. What really struck me was that they seemed to be angry at Jorform! These angry users are talking about security too as if they were attacked or something. I really feel for the users but at the same time I'm angry at them for placing the blame where it doesn't belong. Instead of being mad at Jotform they should be mad at the government. A while back I was advocating that we reach out to such people and explain this SOPA censorship stuff in a way they understand and this is precisely why. SOPA's supporters have done a really great job of training regular folks to think like some of these angry users making them think that somehow it was Jotform that did wrong. If they only knew how totally arbitrary this stuff is I think they'd be mad at the Feds like they should be. It's so sickening that the government probably just hurt not one but maybe thousands of companies in one fell swoop and everyone's pissed at the wrong guy. Then the politicians want to go around talking about creating jobs... Ha! How about destroying them? That's what it looks like to me.
- benologist 15y agoWhy shouldn't they be angry at jotform? It looks like they had no expedited process for reporting phishing forms which had to have been a known risk somewhere around #1 on their list of known risks, they actually made it easier to go upstream instead of searching for their contact page (only linked in the footer) and hoping someone replies today. Did they have any automated detection? If they didn't have a "report a bad form" button then maybe they didn't even try and find bad forms ... like anything with a sign in button or password field. 2 million forms is too many to inspect, but you could narrow that list down very easily. What happened to them sucks but it seems like the problem could probably have been avoided. Edit: it let me make a form with "Account number" and "Password" complete with emailing me what people put in it which is suggestive of no preventative measures at all.
- AndyJPartridge 15y agoSome good points. But surely they should have been sent a warning, even a 24 hour one, to remove some content before just being wiped off the Internet. This action is business destroying and draconian.
- jcoder 15y agoToo bad jotform.net is also registered via GoDaddy. Should we be talking about registrar diversification now?
- Zirro 15y agoI don't think we'd get much further than we already have in earlier anti-SOPA talks. The irony of the situation gave me a chuckle though. Hopefully they move away after this, to a company which would at least try to put up a fight.
- beedogs 15y agoWhat we ought to be talking about is moving .com/.net/.org out of US jurisdiction entirely, not just diversification. This will eventually happen in one of two ways, one of which will leave US customers with a completely separate com/net/org registry from the rest of the planet.
- waxy 15y agoI don't know if it is because of Godaddy or not but boy I am glad i moved away from them.
- tonywebster 15y agoI'm failing to see any indication that the government was actually involved. Did the US government serve upon GoDaddy? JOTFORM.COM nameservers are set to NS1.SUSPENDED-FOR.SPAM-AND-ABUSE.COM, and spam-and-abuse.com is owned by GoDaddy. Just doesn't seem to be the normal way the government has been involved, but then again, nothing should be normal about domain seizures.
- Zirro 15y agoThis is probably standard procedure at GoDaddy, and since GoDaddy is very loyal to the authorities, they probably considered the regular way of seizing the domain unnecessary.
- Joakal 15y agoWhy would GoDaddy open themselves up for this liability without a court order? Registrant: Interlogy, LLC Registered through: Go Daddy Domain Name: JOTFORM.COM Domain servers in listed order: NS1.SUSPENDED-FOR.SPAM-AND-ABUSE.COM NS2.SUSPENDED-FOR.SPAM-AND-ABUSE.COM
- drusenko 15y agoI have no clue, but it almost happened to us, too: http://david.weebly.com/1/post/2011/12/godaddy-a-glimpse-of-the-internet-under-sopa.html http://david.weebly.com/1/post/2011/12/godaddy-a-glimpse-of-...
- dcesiel 15y agoThis is interesting. Obviously you've moved your domain away from GoDaddy, what are some more reputable registrars?
- ckrailo 15y agoI use dnsimple, but I've heard good things about namecheap as well. Find any anti-godaddy thread on HN or Reddit and you'll see a ton more names.
- rkalla 15y agoEasyDNS is excellent, but more expensive. It isn't a good place to park a lot of domains, but a great place to host a few important ones. YC/HN uses them, I've contacted them a few times, nice Canandian group.
- getsat 15y agohttp://internet.bs http://internet.bs Bahamas, baby.
- netcan 15y agoThis is actualy a perfect example. The specific laws aren't the only concern. once the atmosphere is created where registars are expected to take down domains in response to legal claims, complaints, and such it exists. once this becomes part of their job they will seek to do it with minimal costs and risk. Since the cost of losing one customer to godaddy is so out of sync with the cost of to the customer of being taken down, we can expect these kinds of results. Shutting down a domain will always be a lot cheaper than any involvement of a legal team.
- gabaix 15y agoThis can happen to any web site that allows user generated content. How come we don't see Youtube, Yahoo, Facebook suspended? Do they have procedure in place? Does that mean that you're much weaker if you're small? What are the legal safeguards for UGC startups? There should be equal rights for all companies. Right now it seems the US government is picking those it can easily bully.
- gm 15y agoThey're not dumb enough to use godaddy... But yeah your point about fairness is loud and clear.
- marshray 15y agoGodaddy can seize your domain even if they're not your registrar.
- icebraining 15y agoHow so?
- marshray 15y agoHere's http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2011/11/court_oks_priva.htm http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2011/11/court_oks_priva... an example court order giving "an injunction against the top-level domain name registry, directing it to change the registrar of record for the domain names to GoDaddy".
- glfomfn 15y agoI am not quite sure if 'Seized by US" is the case, if you check out the dns look up it points to NS1.SUSPENDED-FOR.SPAM-AND-ABUSE.COM which is owned by Godaddy. After some searching it appears that that's what happens when Godaddy suspends there service to you, from similar cases it seems that they can transfer the domain to another registrar.
- forrestthewoods 15y agoAny details on what the content was? The post implies that only a small amount of user generated content is being investigated. This is the first I've heard of a website being taken down entirely when only a small amount of it's content is questionable. I feel like a huge chunk of this story is missing.
- aneth 15y agoIt's time for a widespread revolt against domain name seizures and suspensions without due process. Where do we start? This path will undermine the internet economy and sets precedents for horrible oppression and control by large interests down the line.
- wxlittlemanxk 15y agoI can't believe this is being tolerated by our generation.
- rabidsnail 15y agoThree letters: .is
- Zirro 15y agoTwo actually, and a punctuation mark :)
- literalusername 15y agoWhat's so special about .is? From http://www.isnic.is/en/ http://www.isnic.is/en/: "The registration of a domain confers rights to the use of the domain name according to ISNIC rules at any time but does not confer ownership of the domain."
- rabidsnail 15y agohttp://en.rsf.org/islande-nouvel-article-18-06-2010,37771.html http://en.rsf.org/islande-nouvel-article-18-06-2010,37771.ht...
- mindslight 15y agonot unprecedented for godaddy: http://seclists.org/nmap-hackers/2007/0 http://seclists.org/nmap-hackers/2007/0 such willfull misunderstanding in those comments. my sympathy to the people behind jotform. the only way this can be (legally) fixed is by a court deciding that despite all the mumbo-jumbo in the registrar terms of service, domain names look an awful like property, and are not to be yanked without due process. unfortunately it seems courts mostly write opposite-minded decisions these days.
- literalusername 15y agoDomain names look a whole lot like rental property. They're hardly allodium.
- mindslight 15y agoSo? The same is true for real estate and most everything else with a central registry. Jotform is paid up with ICANN through 2020. Even a commercial tenant can't be evicted instantaneously.
- literalusername 15y agoAgreed. My only point was that, contrary to your original assertion, domain names do not look anything like property owned by the registrant. That said, I do not support the confiscation, and I hope Jotform sues and wins. I'm not holding my breath, though. I would love to see a DNS replacement that is not only decentralized but allodial.
- mindslight 15y agoIs it possible for any distributed human-meaningful name to be allodial? You're always at the mercy of a network of nodes to agree that you hold a name, and probably have to incentivize them even. A non-human-meaningful public-key based name would be allodial (even if you're relying on others to distribute that fact). The latter system could certainly replace many uses of DNS, but doesn't solve the introduction problem (granted, introductions could be needed a lot less, ie Jotform forms would still be working, as they wouldn't require a reintroduction to 'jotform.com' for every visit) (You're right in that I was incorrectly implying a domain name would be property owned by the registrant. But it certainly could be considered property that the registrant is currently in possession of)
- robomartin 15y agoTime for GoDaddy to go out of business. I'll do my small part. I have over 200 domains registered with them as well as a couple servers (to play with, not for anything important). I'll start to transfer everything as soon as I identify a registrar that won't fuck over their clients like this. Any registrar care to make a statement of loyalty here on HN so we know that you have our backs? I am really starting to think that a coalition of large internet companies needs to stage a full and real shutdown. I am talking about something substantial, like a full day. This would send a strong message home to idiots running this country. This could be advertised and announced on a daily basis over the Internet and TV for a full month. Then, on that Monday morning, all services go quiet for a day while displaying an appropriate announcement on their sites. If the event is well communicated to all users this should protect all involved from legal action. If you've been told about it every day for thirty days that should pretty much cover it. Due process should apply to everything. We want due process. Sites that engage in criminal behavior are one thing, but, when the government is the criminal you are dealing with something entirely different. Time to make noise again?
- cheald 15y agoNamecheap had a solid marketing push during the whole GoDaddy/SOPA business. I moved my stuff there and am quite happy with them so far.
- robomartin 15y agoAre they doing any deals for transferring hundreds of domains?
- cheald 15y agoNot that I know of, but they do bulk pricing like GoDaddy does, and they have a decent referral program. You might try emailing their customer service and see if they'll cut you a deal.
- NeutronBoy 15y agonamecheap.com was recommended constantly on Reddit during the whole GoDaddy-boycott, and I'm pretty impressed with them.
- joedev 15y agoThis can happen to any web site that allows user generated content. Yes, that's true that it can happen just as almost anything can happen. But to act as if this comes as a surprise for which such a company should not be prepared is either ill-informed or disingenuous, and somewhat unbelievable in light of all the publicity around DMCA law recently. A company like Jotform, or any company hosting user-generated content (not just to pick on Jotform), can do a lot to help prevent it and protect their legitimate customers. DMCA lays out several things which can be done to at least attempt to have the appearance of qualifying for safe harbor. If you host user-generated content, do you do one or more of these? - adopt and reasonably implement a policy of addressing and terminating accounts of users who are found to be “repeat infringers? - remove or disable access to the allegedly infringing material upon notice? - implement any sort of "red flag" process?
- dangrossman 15y agoWe don't know that this has anything to do with copyright. It's a form hosting site; the user-generated content could be bank account phishing pages. DMCA does not provide safe harbor from being an accessory to financial scams.
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- joedev 15y agoYou could be right: http://www.jotform.net/answers/72220-Fraudulent-site-please-shut-down-Standard-Bank-12220- http://www.jotform.net/answers/72220-Fraudulent-site-please-... And JotForm appears to respond quickly and take action, at least to that request.
- dloh 15y ago"This can happen to any web site that allows user generated content." Suddenly reminds ourselves of this site call Facebook.
- jarek 15y ago
- marshray 15y agoI'm as eager as anyone else to blame overzealous US authorities and GoDaddy, but something doesn't fully add up. This doesn't fit the pattern of other seizures we've seen. Why isn't there a big scary US ICE seizure banner on the domain? They're usually quite proud of their work. Why is his .net domain still operational? This looks to me more like GoDaddy operating on their own.
- aptwebapps 15y agoIt's not a copyright issue. Scuttlebutt is that someone used their forms for phishing.
- marshray 15y agoSeems like a plausible explanation. Still, if the guy had not used Godaddy he probably would have his domain back already.
- damian2000 15y agoThis is nothing to do with copyright issues: its to do with phishing and scamming forms being setup by a handful of users. One would think they could just remove those users and be done with it - this heavyhanded approach by govt. is a total disgrace. When scam ads were found being run on the NYTIMES website (without the knowledge of the NYTIMES) a while ago, did the govt. shut down that domain? No f---ing way - because that would have p---ed off too many people.
- ericabiz 15y agoCan we all PLEASE agree to stop using GoDaddy? This is a GoDaddy thing, plain and simple. They get one complaint--they shut your domain name down by changing the name servers to NS1.SUSPENDED-FOR.SPAM-AND-ABUSE.COM and NS2.SUSPENDED-FOR.SPAM-AND-ABUSE.COM. Exactly what happened here. This has been going on for at least SIX years now; see http://seclists.org/nmap-hackers/2007/0 http://seclists.org/nmap-hackers/2007/0 (and I saw a hosting company shut down for similar reasons a year before that.) Wasn't their support of SOPA enough? When are we all going to wake up? How many times does this have to happen?! STOP. USING. GODADDY.
- adamsmith 15y agoYes. For another account, see David Rusenko's blog post about GoDaddy and Weebly: http://david.weebly.com/1/post/2011/12/godaddy-a-glimpse-of-the-internet-under-sopa.html http://david.weebly.com/1/post/2011/12/godaddy-a-glimpse-of-... Their .com doesn't seem to have the same ugly ICE/government/FBI logo landing page, so that seems to also implicate GoDaddy. If that's the case they could get their services up again by just switching registrars and DNS servers. (?)
- ericabiz 15y agoIf it's anything like the others I've seen, GoDaddy will charge an "administrative fee" of hundreds of dollars to get the domain name turned back on, let alone unlocked and able to be transferred out. I have been telling people this for YEARS. Yet everyone always thinks "It won't happen to me." Until it does.
- jseliger 15y agoYet everyone always thinks "It won't happen to me." Until it does. This principle also keeps Paypal in business.
- hga 15y agoIndeed, but there are zillions of good alternatives to GoDaddy (shouldn't the name be a clue???), many, sometimes no alternatives to PayPal. (Wasn't I just reading something recently about a payments system startup that isn't likely to extend itself to Australia due to their laws and regulations?)
- foxylad 15y agoToday's sysadmin todo list: 0. Get corporate membership with EFF. 1. Identify all applications with user-generated content. 2. Move all associated domains to a non-US based registrar. 3. Migrate DNS, web serving and other critical services to non-US based servers. 4. Migrate yourself to a non-US controlled country. I'm sorry for US sites and users. Your government is hell-bent on turning the internet into a read-only device like TV, easily regulated and controlled. The population will be required to sit quietly and keep their eyes glued on the screen so they don't miss the ads, with any infringers deemed terrorists and pedophiles and thus deserving of summary punishment by DHS squads. Hopefully the internet will route around the damaged segment, and the rest of us can continue to enjoy the amazing interactivity it has brought our society.
- lightyrs 15y ago"hell-bent on turning the internet into a read-only device" well put
- cgarvey 15y agoAgreed. Quote of the fucking year.
- astrange 15y agoIt's only February. Or is the fucking year on a different schedule?
- unavailable 15y ago>> read-only devices like TV and newspapers Their beauty is not only in their read-only nature, but also in the fact that their number and content can be controlled. Losing control of the narrative means the end of the narrative. In our case, the concept of centralized power is dying, because the tales that justify it are dying in unwatched TV programs and unread newspapers. Unfortunately, their dying will take some time. Fortunately, any measure taken to save a dying narrative hasten its end.
- Joakal 15y ago
- shingen 15y agoWorth noting that this is a top 5,000 global site, roughly speaking. The fascist machine is definitely continuing to raise the bar on the commoners they're willing to take down (they were always willing to go after a site like MegaUpload, but this is a different category of assault). Cycle it a few years forward and it wouldn't be surprising if 1% to 2% of the biggest 10,000 .coms have been seized (100 to 200 sites).
- hetaoblog 15y agothis is really interesting. what's the basic rule behind it? i thought this only happens in china.
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- aphyr 15y agoA large (10m uniques/mo) web site I used to work for had a complete DMCA takedown process in place. Links on every page, web forms, contact emails, physical addresses, etc. Then our site went dark one evening. I spent an hour frantically trying to figure out where our main web servers had gone, only to discover that a "online anti-terrorism team" had taken issue with some user-submitted content that didn't seem very friendly towards Americans. They contacted Softlayer, our hosting provider, and said that anti-American content was in violation of some commerce law--don't recall the exact details. It wasn't what I would describe as a "credible legal threat"--they left no name, no physical address, their web site looked like a vigilante operation. Softlayer, in turn, sent us a "generic you have a support ticket" email and b.) 72 hours later, unplugged the web server NICs. We suffered hours of downtime without any idea what was happening. We juggled dozens of Softlayer tickets at the time, so another anonymous tracking number just got lost in the shuffe. Never underestimate the power of unaccredited strangers to fuck you through your hosting provider.
- aptwebapps 15y agoPlease tell me they switched providers after that.
- aphyr 15y agoWe established multiple datacenters across different providers with active-active DNS, so neither of them could take us down. It's not really for the faint of heart, though. We spent a fair amount of time trying to get the right services to communicate correctly across DCs.
- georgieporgie 15y agoI have no idea what you're talking about, but I find it very interesting. I think it would be well received if you wrote a blog post expanding on this experience.
- ComputerGuru 15y agoWould you care to/be kind enough to share more info on how this is done and any obstacles you faced in deploying this?
- jcampbell1 15y agoThe time has come to publicly shame any YC or startup that has a godaddy domain. Switching registrars is not hard, and using godaddy is like having an @aol.com email address. I spent a few minutes checking the registrar for YC companies with press in techcrunch: crowdtilt.com doublerecall.com drchrono.com memsql.com verbling.com readyforzero.com
- ericfrenkiel 15y agofor the record, memsql.com is no longer registered with GoDaddy.
- wenbert 15y agoReading the comments below, am I safe if I have my domain name registered with Namecheap? How can I make sure that this won't happen to one of my sites? Is this Godaddy specific or all domain name registrars affected by this? What about non-US registrars (can you guys name some)?
- dangrossman 15y agoAny .com, .net, .org, .biz, .us, .tel, and .travel domain is subject to seizure by a US court order. What company you register the domain at (and what country it's in) is irrelevant since the registry itself (Verisign for .com/.net/.org, NeuStar for the others) is in the US.
- dotBen 15y agoYeah but this doen't appear to be a US court order seizure
- droithomme 15y agoI am sure this is all fine. Our fine government would never do the wrong thing. </bitter sarcasm>
- caycep 15y agoIf you use a DNS provider like pair.net - is godaddy involved at all? ie. are there reselling/subcontracting of domain services we don't know about?
- dangrossman 15y agoIt doesn't matter what DNS service you use when the registrar can change the DNS records for your domains, which is what they've done.
- millzlane 15y agoEarlier today I got a phishing attempt with a link to a form hosted with Google Docs. Does this mean the same thing can happen to Google?
- radagaisus 15y agoDid you know you can't buy the Israeli domain fuck.co.il? Source: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Froom404.net%2F%3Fp%3D49444 http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&...
- rooshdi 15y agoWho needs SOPA when you can do whatever the hell you want. Great to know our taxes are being put to good use and helping create new jobs and services. Thank you US Government.
- necenzurat 15y agohahahahaha Godaddy sucker! just love the NS: Registered through: Go Daddy Domain Name: JOTFORM.COM Domain servers in listed order: NS1.SUSPENDED-FOR.SPAM-AND-ABUSE.COM NS2.SUSPENDED-FOR.SPAM-AND-ABUSE.COM
- dendory 15y agoPeople making new sites need to stop making that mistake! Get something that isn't .com (.me .info etc) and register it at a non-US based registrar. We KNOW that US registrars always cooperate with corrupt government agencies, so stop giving them business just to save a buck, and risk your whole business.
- robomartin 15y agoIt seems clearer than ever that, if we allow them to, our politicians are intent on destroying the Internet as we know it. Pretty ironic coming from the country that gave it birth.
- Yaggo 15y agoI've been searching for a good .com domain for my upcoming CMS (SaaS), but after reading this I'll probably get a non-US controlled domain at least for the service itself, and just use .com for a marketing site, if at all. Moreover, .com is already overcrowded. It's so wrong that a legit business can be killed overnight.
- fsniper 15y agoThis form of law enforcement is wrong on so many aspects. Out of online community, these kinds of law violations are handled in a more sanely fashion. For instance, if a firms one department has a law violator, law enforcers makes a case against the violators in obscurity and proceed to handle violators trying to be as low damaging as possible. They won't block any roadblocks that leads to every building or holding to that firm and try to exclude any not related property or individual. But the things are different on the Internet. It's ridiculous. The law enforcers treat online entities like there is no business going around and every business is crime oriented. So they just go forth and block every way of execution of the entity. We must stand against this. Also this is an ongoing trend over the world. And seems like it won't end any time soon. Governments are revolting against the Internet. I think they believe Internet is becoming uncontrollable , so they are trying to make every ridiculous move to make online entities miserable so they will settle with hard control instead of these unbelievable ones and be happy.
- Karunamon 15y agoAm I the only one who has slightly less sympathy with this company for staying on the shitty webhost known as godaddy? Even after the SOPA debacle? You wait until they affect you personally before doing the right thing? Shoulda shown solidarity. That's what you get.
- anigbrowl 15y agoThis is a good reminder that startups need to have a basic legal gameplan as well as an engineering and financial one.
- GFischer 15y agoSometimes you need to disregard legal advice (though, you do need to be aware of the legal issues), else you wouldn't get anything done. I had a nice startup idea, it was shot down by my legal adviser (which happens to be my father :P ), and Google went ahead and implemented it (well, at least he saved me from competing with Google).
- aytekin 15y agoFounder of JotForm here. I’d like to thank you all for your sympathy. JotForm.com has been suspended by Godaddy for more than 24 hours now. They have disabled the DNS without any prior notice or request. They have told us the domain name was suspended as part of an ongoing law enforcement investigation. In order to resolve the issue, they asked us to contact the officer in charge at U. S. Secret Service. When I contacted the Secret Service, the agent told me she is busy and she asked for my phone number, and told me they will get back to me within this week. I told them we are a web service with hundreds of thousands of users, so this is a matter of urgency, and we are ready to cooperate fully. I was ready to shutdown any form they request and provide any information we have about the user. Unfortunately, she told me she needs to look at the case which she can do in a few days. I called her many times again to check about the case, but she seems to be getting irritated with me. At this point, we are waiting for them to look into our case. Our guess is that this is probably about a phishing form. We take phishing very seriously. Our Bayesian phishing filter has suspended 65.000 accounts last year. We have been training it for many years, so it can detect phishing forms with great accuracy. We also take any reports about phishing very seriously and quickly suspend the accounts and let the other party know about it. By the way, we are also very serious about false positives. If we suspend an account accidentally, we will quickly resolve the issue, and apologize. I believe this can happen to anybody who allows users to create content on the web. So, if you have such business, my recommendation would be to make sure that you can contact your most active users quickly if your domain is disabled. Many of our users are shocked and angry at us. But, many also thanked us for quickly letting them know about the issue by email and providing instructions to continue operating their forms. Since DNS propagation takes some time, many active users were able to switch their forms to the new domain before it went down. We still have not contacted all users, we are sending emails most active users first.
- grandinj 15y agoSolution (1) - get another DNS name from another provider, and get your users using that for now. Solution (2) - get a lawyer and prepare to sue for lack of due process.
- colechristensen 15y agoWhats happening to you is an absurd abuse of power. Call the EFF, get a good lawyer, and get in front of a judge as soon as possible. Call your senator, your representative, and the local media. Don't annoy the secret service agent who is destroying your business because it likely won't help.
- mds101 15y agoThere are a large number of companies still using GoDaddy even after hearing so many horror stories. Even some YC companies use them. If I had to choose a service provider, then I would most definitely forego the ones who are reliant on GoDaddy, even if it they are really awesome. After all being there trumps being awesome by a huge margin. I guess it's time customers started calling up these companies and telling them that the reliance on GoDaddy is something that they are worried about.
- fauigerzigerk 15y agoI'm starting to think that the DNS as a whole needs to be replaced by something that is more resilient against broken legal and political systems. I'm not saying governments should not fight crime or that there should be no way to shut down a website, but what we're witnessing these days is a total breakdown of long established principles of law, including due process and proportional justice. It may sound strange and some would say nonsensical, but I feel that legal systems worldwide and especially in the US have gone down hill since 9/11. What seems to have changed is that governments have given up the idea that global problems can be solved within the framework of established legal principles. It feels like everything they do is guided by a mindset of martial law. It's all a helpless thrashing about. It's going to take a long time for the globalised world to find its footing again and until then we have to find better technical solutions to limit the damage they're able to do.
- propercoil 15y agoRon Paul 2012 our (tech community) only chance, research yourself.
- bitwize 15y ago"He's got a chance!" "Yeah, in France!" "Bet you'd vote for Palin!" http://www.collegehumor.com/video/3980096/we-didnt-start-the-flame-war http://www.collegehumor.com/video/3980096/we-didnt-start-the...
- larrys 15y ago"As a part of an ongoing investigation about a content posted in our site, a US government agency has temporarily suspended our jotform.com domain. We are fully cooperating with them, but it is not possible to say when the domain would be unblocked." The dns is set to a godaddy domain which has over 224,000 domains attached to it. http://www.dailychanges.com/spam-and-abuse.com/ http://www.dailychanges.com/spam-and-abuse.com/ As a registrar that has been contact by the US Government this (change of dns) isn't consistent with what we have experienced when contacted about a problem site. It's more consistent with an individual registrars policies. If the government was seizing a domain, generally, they would change the whois information. It wouldn't still be listed in the name of the registrant. This isn't an attempt by the way to get one up on godaddy. They are a gazillion times bigger than we are and they cater to an entirely different market segment.
- jarofgreen 15y agoGot an email from JotForm: "Because of a Godaddy suspension, our jotform.com domain is currently disabled. Since, we do not know when the issue might be resolved we recommend changing your forms from jotform.com to jotformeu.com. " So their .com domain is suspended, and they move to a new .com domain? I don't understand; why don't they move to a European country top level domain like jotform.co.uk (that one's been domain squatted, but I'm sure they could find one they like.)
- bilban 15y agoDoes that mean it takes one abuse of an account to take down a hugely popular domain name? That spam must have been terrible.