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>Many of the Google visas are for new employees, with some starting as soon as August 17th. Refutes at least two points you made if not three..

by whaleofatw2022 3y ago

kazamaloo 3y ago
Not sure how the article knows "new" employees, but something doesn't click for me. H1B visas kick in on October 1st of each year. August 17th can only be for H1B transfers. Might still be a new employee, but definitely not someone coming from overseas.
- arcticbull 3y ago
  Correct, in which case, it seems like a manufactured outrage. These folks are already in the US and authorized to work here for up to 6 years - basically indefinitely if applying for a green card.
- belltaco 3y ago
  Also from where is the article getting that they're low paid? Its paywalled. If you see their filings the salaries are on par.
  - User23 3y ago
    You can’t really refute the claim that H-1B drives down the market price of labor by citing their price in the market. You have to show those wages would be the same even without the immigrant workers. From a basic supply and demand perspective that sounds unlikely, but markets are complex dynamic creatures so perhaps it’s the case. Nevertheless it needs to be shown.
    - UncleMeat 3y ago
      Similarly, it is very challenging to demonstrate this claim. It does not seem like the sort of thing we should take as a given.
      - User23 3y ago
        Agreed, markets are complex. And frankly I don't find market based arguments for or against immigration particularly compelling for that reason. So far as I can tell we really have no reason to believe either side's claims along that dimension.
Daishiman 3y ago
The application process takes in general no less than a year.
- arcticbull 3y ago
  Nah that's not true. New applications are due in late April usually, and valid assuming you win the lottery, you can start at the beginning of the new USICS fiscal year in October. You can prep the paperwork in a week or two if you want. 6-7 months should suffice, and thats assuming you are selected. With premium processing you should know within what 2 weeks of submission? Not sure how premium processing works with the lottery.

>Many of the Google visas are for new employees, with some starting as soon as August 17th. Refutes at least two points you made if not three..

kazamaloo 3y ago

Not sure how the article knows "new" employees, but something doesn't click for me. H1B visas kick in on October 1st of each year. August 17th can only be for H1B transfers. Might still be a new employee, but definitely not someone coming from overseas.

arcticbull 3y ago
Correct, in which case, it seems like a manufactured outrage. These folks are already in the US and authorized to work here for up to 6 years - basically indefinitely if applying for a green card.
belltaco 3y ago
Also from where is the article getting that they're low paid? Its paywalled. If you see their filings the salaries are on par.
- User23 3y ago
  You can’t really refute the claim that H-1B drives down the market price of labor by citing their price in the market. You have to show those wages would be the same even without the immigrant workers. From a basic supply and demand perspective that sounds unlikely, but markets are complex dynamic creatures so perhaps it’s the case. Nevertheless it needs to be shown.
  - UncleMeat 3y ago
    Similarly, it is very challenging to demonstrate this claim. It does not seem like the sort of thing we should take as a given.
    - User23 3y ago
      Agreed, markets are complex. And frankly I don't find market based arguments for or against immigration particularly compelling for that reason. So far as I can tell we really have no reason to believe either side's claims along that dimension.

Daishiman 3y ago

The application process takes in general no less than a year.

arcticbull 3y ago
Nah that's not true. New applications are due in late April usually, and valid assuming you win the lottery, you can start at the beginning of the new USICS fiscal year in October. You can prep the paperwork in a week or two if you want. 6-7 months should suffice, and thats assuming you are selected. With premium processing you should know within what 2 weeks of submission? Not sure how premium processing works with the lottery.