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> Back in the day, programs like Napster had everyone believing that we shouldn’t have to pay for music. Back in the day, broadcast radio stations had everyone

> Back in the day, programs like Napster had everyone believing that we shouldn’t have to pay for music. Back in the day, broadcast radio stations had everyone believing that we shouldn't have to pay for music. In 2023, we have youtube to thank for that. > If I own something, why shouldn’t I be able to share it with whoever I want? Good argument, especially since many intangible goods, such as MP3 files, are non-rivalrous and non-excludable.

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chii 3y ago
> Good argument, especially since many intangible goods, such as MP3 files, are non-rivalrous and non-excludable. so the deeper question is 'what does it mean to own something'. For a physical good, it's fairly straight forward. For a digital good that can be copied infinitely and perfectly, it's not. The current definition of ownership seems to be broken down into a set of "rights". Sharing it with somebody else is one such right. So when you purchase an mp3 off a store, you're purchasing not the ownership, but the rights to listen to it. More importantly, you're not purchasing the rights to share it with somebody. But the idea of the song - whatever that might be - is not a right given to the owner to be sold (at least not currently). Therefore, someone who purchased the right to listen to the song _should_ be allowed to learn the idea of the song, and reproduce the idea in another form.
- musicale 3y ago
  > More importantly, you're not purchasing the rights to share it with somebody As I understand it, the Audio Home Recording act legalized mix tapes and mixes on DAT and "music" CD-R media. It's why "music" CD-Rs cost more (the DART royalty.) In fact Apple still provides software (Music/iTunes) that allows you to burn purchased songs from the iTunes Store onto CDs: https://support.apple.com/guide/music/intro-to-burning-cds-and-dvds-mus03854c438/ https://support.apple.com/guide/music/intro-to-burning-cds-a... Initially they hadplaced limits on how many times you could burn the same song, but Apple removed the restrictions and eventually upgraded all of iTunes to DRM-free (but watermarked) iTunes Plus in 2009. Unfortunately it does not support burning "rented" songs from Apple Music or Spotify. I guess that's what Audio Hijack is for. And sadly iTunes never got an upgrade to a lossless format while Apple Music streaming did. I guess that's a good reason to buy tracks from other sources.
  - chii 3y ago
    Those mix tapes or CD-R burned tracks aren't meant for distribution, but for personal consumption imho. If you tried selling mix tapes, i think it would constitute a copyright infringement.

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chii 3y ago

> Good argument, especially since many intangible goods, such as MP3 files, are non-rivalrous and non-excludable. so the deeper question is 'what does it mean to own something'. For a physical good, it's fairly straight forward. For a digital good that can be copied infinitely and perfectly, it's not. The current definition of ownership seems to be broken down into a set of "rights". Sharing it with somebody else is one such right. So when you purchase an mp3 off a store, you're purchasing not the ownership, but the rights to listen to it. More importantly, you're not purchasing the rights to share it with somebody. But the idea of the song - whatever that might be - is not a right given to the owner to be sold (at least not currently). Therefore, someone who purchased the right to listen to the song _should_ be allowed to learn the idea of the song, and reproduce the idea in another form.

musicale 3y ago
> More importantly, you're not purchasing the rights to share it with somebody As I understand it, the Audio Home Recording act legalized mix tapes and mixes on DAT and "music" CD-R media. It's why "music" CD-Rs cost more (the DART royalty.) In fact Apple still provides software (Music/iTunes) that allows you to burn purchased songs from the iTunes Store onto CDs: https://support.apple.com/guide/music/intro-to-burning-cds-and-dvds-mus03854c438/ https://support.apple.com/guide/music/intro-to-burning-cds-a... Initially they hadplaced limits on how many times you could burn the same song, but Apple removed the restrictions and eventually upgraded all of iTunes to DRM-free (but watermarked) iTunes Plus in 2009. Unfortunately it does not support burning "rented" songs from Apple Music or Spotify. I guess that's what Audio Hijack is for. And sadly iTunes never got an upgrade to a lossless format while Apple Music streaming did. I guess that's a good reason to buy tracks from other sources.
- chii 3y ago
  Those mix tapes or CD-R burned tracks aren't meant for distribution, but for personal consumption imho. If you tried selling mix tapes, i think it would constitute a copyright infringement.