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Tutanota – Revolutionary Changes Ahead

51 points by dotcoma 3y ago

anderber 3y ago
I like that Tutanota has a lot of features (like calendar and contacts) and it's still just €1 a month.
- dotcoma 3y ago
  Is contacts working well for you? With about 3k contacts, it was performing poorly for me. Apart from that, Tutanota is a GREAT service.
  - anderber 3y ago
    I guess I only had a couple hundred, so it was working well for me.
jasonvorhe 3y ago
I love tutanota and I'm glad they're willing to rebrand. A lot of these changes sound great and they're in line with what I voted for when they sent out a survey. Awesome. :) I'm a happy paying customer!
dean2432 3y ago
is their calendar any good? i was looking at proton calendar, but it lacks a search function. edit: tutanota calendar also lacks search, but at least they have it planned. proton haven't.
- betamike 3y ago
  I just saw this earlier this week: Proton just added Calendar search to the beta Android app[1], and it looks like they are working to bring it to other platforms. [1] https://proton.me/support/calendar-search https://proton.me/support/calendar-search
bm3719 3y ago
Love Tutanota and been using it for some time. I do wish I could access it using mutt though, like if they supported some kind of bridge. I know they have security concerns with this, but it would actually be more secure for me, since I'd not have to access it directly on every device, leaving active email tabs open. I'd just keep all email use on my home server, leaving mutt up in the tmux session which I'm already in all day, and it'd be as secure as anything else I can only get to via SSH. It's also annoying needing a web browser open when I otherwise don't have use of one, especially on low end hardware like a Raspberry Pi.
realitysballs 3y ago
I’m intrigued
jdoehxoshsha 3y ago
are they worth it if you already can use pgp?
- solarkraft 3y ago
  If you communicate with people who don't use it, yes. In my experience that's the vast majority of official dealings.
BLKNSLVR 3y ago
I love that Tutanota exists. There really should be more such privacy respecting / maintaining service offerings. I might become a paying customer just to support their efforts and encourage others. Disroot.org is of a similar philosophy.
sampa 3y ago
no pop3/imap, no go
- thunderbong 3y ago
  From their FAQ - Can I retrieve my Tutanota emails via IMAP to another email client? This is not possible as we could not guarantee end-to-end encryption for your data. Instead Tutanota offers email desktop clients for Linux, Mac OS and Windows as well as a web client and apps for Android and iOS.
  - solarkraft 3y ago
    I don't think that anyone wants them to decrypt the data on their side, but Protonmail has a bridge which translates to standard protocols within the user's domain.
ElectronBadger 3y ago
I've been using Tutanota since 2019. Very good, constantly improved product. Inexpensive. Solid security. Open source. I keep waiting for their drive and note-taking apps.
dunefox 3y ago
> We have acquired funding from the German Federal Ministry of Education and Research for this project; watch out for the official launch announcement within the next few months! Finally, my tax dollars going toward something else than advisors, etc. and do something good.
PrimeMcFly 3y ago
I have a Tutanota account, but only because I didn't discover Protonmail first. I know both are free, but the difference is night and day IMO. I need to pay just to search past 3 months with tuta.
banashark 3y ago
Happy user of Tutanota. Biometric unlock on mobile will be a great UX improvement for me.
4oo4 3y ago
I love just about everything about Tutanota except having to spell out my email address for administrative things IRL. Glad that they are changing the name now and that they succeeded in spite of the name, that's long overdue. However I think it shouldn't be limited to just paying customers (which I am). Forcing free users into having an awkward domain name is bad for converting free users into paying ones since they'll be less likely to try it out.
solarkraft 3y ago
Does the strategic change include finally include providing an SMTP/IMAP bridge? The lack of it is what made me switch away. The provided clients aren't bad, but not "I will never want to use anything else" good. RE: Rebranding: I think Tutao (name of the company) is a great short name that would look great on the product.
solarkraft 3y ago
Do keep in mind that they can be legally back-doored (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25337507 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25337507). This is one of my reasons for moving to another provider that doesn't have the encryption gimmick but I still trust: mailbox.org. IIRC they also have less hostile rules regarding domains.
- gioo 3y ago
  Aren't both mailbox.org and tutanota based in Germany? So... they both can be legally back-doored? No?
  - solarkraft 3y ago
    Right, but mailbox.org doesn't decorate itself with claims (full encryption at rest) that Tutanota does.

51 points by dotcoma 3y ago

anderber 3y ago

I like that Tutanota has a lot of features (like calendar and contacts) and it's still just €1 a month.

dotcoma 3y ago
Is contacts working well for you? With about 3k contacts, it was performing poorly for me. Apart from that, Tutanota is a GREAT service.
- anderber 3y ago
  I guess I only had a couple hundred, so it was working well for me.

jasonvorhe 3y ago

I love tutanota and I'm glad they're willing to rebrand. A lot of these changes sound great and they're in line with what I voted for when they sent out a survey. Awesome. :) I'm a happy paying customer!

dean2432 3y ago

is their calendar any good? i was looking at proton calendar, but it lacks a search function. edit: tutanota calendar also lacks search, but at least they have it planned. proton haven't.

betamike 3y ago
I just saw this earlier this week: Proton just added Calendar search to the beta Android app[1], and it looks like they are working to bring it to other platforms. [1] https://proton.me/support/calendar-search https://proton.me/support/calendar-search

bm3719 3y ago

Love Tutanota and been using it for some time. I do wish I could access it using mutt though, like if they supported some kind of bridge. I know they have security concerns with this, but it would actually be more secure for me, since I'd not have to access it directly on every device, leaving active email tabs open. I'd just keep all email use on my home server, leaving mutt up in the tmux session which I'm already in all day, and it'd be as secure as anything else I can only get to via SSH. It's also annoying needing a web browser open when I otherwise don't have use of one, especially on low end hardware like a Raspberry Pi.

realitysballs 3y ago

I’m intrigued

jdoehxoshsha 3y ago

are they worth it if you already can use pgp?

solarkraft 3y ago
If you communicate with people who don't use it, yes. In my experience that's the vast majority of official dealings.

BLKNSLVR 3y ago

I love that Tutanota exists. There really should be more such privacy respecting / maintaining service offerings. I might become a paying customer just to support their efforts and encourage others. Disroot.org is of a similar philosophy.

sampa 3y ago

no pop3/imap, no go

thunderbong 3y ago
From their FAQ - Can I retrieve my Tutanota emails via IMAP to another email client? This is not possible as we could not guarantee end-to-end encryption for your data. Instead Tutanota offers email desktop clients for Linux, Mac OS and Windows as well as a web client and apps for Android and iOS.
- solarkraft 3y ago
  I don't think that anyone wants them to decrypt the data on their side, but Protonmail has a bridge which translates to standard protocols within the user's domain.

ElectronBadger 3y ago

I've been using Tutanota since 2019. Very good, constantly improved product. Inexpensive. Solid security. Open source. I keep waiting for their drive and note-taking apps.

dunefox 3y ago

> We have acquired funding from the German Federal Ministry of Education and Research for this project; watch out for the official launch announcement within the next few months! Finally, my tax dollars going toward something else than advisors, etc. and do something good.

PrimeMcFly 3y ago

I have a Tutanota account, but only because I didn't discover Protonmail first. I know both are free, but the difference is night and day IMO. I need to pay just to search past 3 months with tuta.

banashark 3y ago

Happy user of Tutanota. Biometric unlock on mobile will be a great UX improvement for me.

4oo4 3y ago

I love just about everything about Tutanota except having to spell out my email address for administrative things IRL. Glad that they are changing the name now and that they succeeded in spite of the name, that's long overdue. However I think it shouldn't be limited to just paying customers (which I am). Forcing free users into having an awkward domain name is bad for converting free users into paying ones since they'll be less likely to try it out.

solarkraft 3y ago

Does the strategic change include finally include providing an SMTP/IMAP bridge? The lack of it is what made me switch away. The provided clients aren't bad, but not "I will never want to use anything else" good. RE: Rebranding: I think Tutao (name of the company) is a great short name that would look great on the product.

solarkraft 3y ago

Do keep in mind that they can be legally back-doored (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25337507 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25337507). This is one of my reasons for moving to another provider that doesn't have the encryption gimmick but I still trust: mailbox.org. IIRC they also have less hostile rules regarding domains.

gioo 3y ago
Aren't both mailbox.org and tutanota based in Germany? So... they both can be legally back-doored? No?
- solarkraft 3y ago
  Right, but mailbox.org doesn't decorate itself with claims (full encryption at rest) that Tutanota does.