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I'm not sure what you think I'm implying about their relationship. It is well-known that Gates continued to associate with Epstein after the latter was convict

I'm not sure what you think I'm implying about their relationship. It is well-known that Gates continued to associate with Epstein after the latter was convicted of procuring a child for prostitution. There doesn't really need to be anything else to the story in my opinion. (Editing to be clearer: I don't think he is guilty of Epstein's crimes by association. I think he is guilty of associating with Epstein while being aware of some of his horrible crimes. I'm not saying he needs to be locked up over this, just that I don't trust him, and I question the judgment of people who do.)

arp242 3y ago
What does "associate with" mean in this context? As in, what does it mean concretely? Genuine question. I've had friends ("associated with") that had criminal histories, some of them even quite severe. Of course, I took no part in those crimes, and I don't think anyone here would hold having friends with criminal histories against me.
- ianburrell 3y ago
  Gates met with Epstein repeatedly, in-person. He visited Epstein's home, he flew on Epstein's jet, they about Gates Foundation deal. Gates knew Epstein from earlier so likely would have known about the conviction. Also, it sounds like relationship soured in 2014.
  - arp242 3y ago
    That's all very superficial though; "flew on Epstein's jet" can mean anything from "let's discuss my donations to your foundation while we're travelling from A to B" to less savoury things.
    - KerrAvon 3y ago
      His wife warned him not to go on the jet. When it become public that he had done that, she divorced him. She clearly didn’t think it was superficial!
    - ianburrell 3y ago
      I guess the flight was Gates by himself. But weird he would be flying Epstein's plane and not his own. They did do "plenty discuss foundation", including making charitable fund that would make Epstein money. The issue is that hanging out or doing business with someone as unsavory as Epstein is gia
    - freejazz 3y ago
      I don't think being arrested for sex trafficking children is superficial, but I guess we each have our own limits
- lib-dev 3y ago
  > some of them even quite severe I doubt as severe as what Epstein did.

arp242 3y ago

What does "associate with" mean in this context? As in, what does it mean concretely? Genuine question. I've had friends ("associated with") that had criminal histories, some of them even quite severe. Of course, I took no part in those crimes, and I don't think anyone here would hold having friends with criminal histories against me.

ianburrell 3y ago
Gates met with Epstein repeatedly, in-person. He visited Epstein's home, he flew on Epstein's jet, they about Gates Foundation deal. Gates knew Epstein from earlier so likely would have known about the conviction. Also, it sounds like relationship soured in 2014.
- arp242 3y ago
  That's all very superficial though; "flew on Epstein's jet" can mean anything from "let's discuss my donations to your foundation while we're travelling from A to B" to less savoury things.
  - KerrAvon 3y ago
    His wife warned him not to go on the jet. When it become public that he had done that, she divorced him. She clearly didn’t think it was superficial!
  - ianburrell 3y ago
    I guess the flight was Gates by himself. But weird he would be flying Epstein's plane and not his own. They did do "plenty discuss foundation", including making charitable fund that would make Epstein money. The issue is that hanging out or doing business with someone as unsavory as Epstein is gia
  - freejazz 3y ago
    I don't think being arrested for sex trafficking children is superficial, but I guess we each have our own limits
lib-dev 3y ago
> some of them even quite severe I doubt as severe as what Epstein did.