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I love c2 its wiki and would be very sad to see it gone. Im certain I can find some archives but this still feels like a loss.

knome 3y ago
the portland pattern repository was an invaluable resource for me when I was searching out programming material on the web in the early 2000s. hopefully whatever this is is just a hiccup in their service
tolciho 3y ago
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shagie 3y ago
(I've mentioned this on another thread here) Here's a copy of the entirety of C2 from https://archive.org/details/c2.com-wiki_201501 https://archive.org/details/c2.com-wiki_201501 And an implementation of a server to run it (search indexing and such) https://github.com/adamnew123456/wiki-server https://github.com/adamnew123456/wiki-server
psnehanshu 3y ago
Why do you love c2? If I may ask.
- shagie 3y ago
  It is a frozen discussion from some of the people who we now hold in fairly high regard on a number of topics that are fairly core to software development. It is like being able to go back and be a fly on the wall in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohr–Einstein_debates# https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohr–Einstein_debates# for physics (one can debate about the degree of significance of the topics and individuals - but I'm trying to get back a "this is where things where happening at the time.") As an aside, there was a community-fork of c2 where part of the community was more interested in communities rather than code. That site is still available - http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/ http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/ ( http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/MeatballBackgrounder http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/MeatballBackgrounder ) which has a lot of the same charm as c2. The thing with other great debates - there aren't any transcripts of them. C2 is the best that we have of the early "trying to figure out is now called agile".
  - psnehanshu 3y ago
    I noticed that all the links in these sites are CapitalizedWithoutSpaces. Why is that?
    - shagie 3y ago
      In the world before markdown and not wanting to embed html in the page - how do you designate that "this text" is a link to a page with the same name? Btw, it would work best if it was a regex (since this was perl CGI back in the day). if ($word =~ m/[:upper:]+[:lower:]+([:upper:]+[:lower:]+)+/) { $word = "<a href=\"${somePrefix}${word}\">${word}</a>" } or something to that effect.
      - psnehanshu 3y ago
        > world before markdown and not wanting to embed html in the page Wdym
        shagie 3y ago
        Unrestricted html leads to all sorts of nasty problems with user generated content. Things like <script> bringing in Javascript you don't want, or <iframe> pulling in content you don't want (and messing up the page) or in the days of table layout people just putting in </table>, or people with <a href="goatse.cx"> scattered about in links. So, you limit the text that user generated content is allowed to use. And yet, you still need to figure out a way to allow links between pages within the site - but not allow the person to use an <a> tag. The way c2 did it was with MixedCaseWords that were easy for a regex to pick out and create link targets to. MixedCaseWords required no additional special characters to be used or worry about unmatched character pairs.
        psnehanshu 3y ago
        Now it makes sense, thanks for the explanation.
        3y ago
- kalium-xyz 3y ago
  Doing searches on google has ended me up on it so many times I ended up bookmarking it and searching it instead.

knome 3y ago

the portland pattern repository was an invaluable resource for me when I was searching out programming material on the web in the early 2000s. hopefully whatever this is is just a hiccup in their service

tolciho 3y ago

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shagie 3y ago

(I've mentioned this on another thread here) Here's a copy of the entirety of C2 from https://archive.org/details/c2.com-wiki_201501 https://archive.org/details/c2.com-wiki_201501 And an implementation of a server to run it (search indexing and such) https://github.com/adamnew123456/wiki-server https://github.com/adamnew123456/wiki-server

psnehanshu 3y ago

Why do you love c2? If I may ask.

shagie 3y ago
It is a frozen discussion from some of the people who we now hold in fairly high regard on a number of topics that are fairly core to software development. It is like being able to go back and be a fly on the wall in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohr–Einstein_debates# https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohr–Einstein_debates# for physics (one can debate about the degree of significance of the topics and individuals - but I'm trying to get back a "this is where things where happening at the time.") As an aside, there was a community-fork of c2 where part of the community was more interested in communities rather than code. That site is still available - http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/ http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/ ( http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/MeatballBackgrounder http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/MeatballBackgrounder ) which has a lot of the same charm as c2. The thing with other great debates - there aren't any transcripts of them. C2 is the best that we have of the early "trying to figure out is now called agile".
- psnehanshu 3y ago
  I noticed that all the links in these sites are CapitalizedWithoutSpaces. Why is that?
  - shagie 3y ago
    In the world before markdown and not wanting to embed html in the page - how do you designate that "this text" is a link to a page with the same name? Btw, it would work best if it was a regex (since this was perl CGI back in the day). if ($word =~ m/[:upper:]+[:lower:]+([:upper:]+[:lower:]+)+/) { $word = "<a href=\"${somePrefix}${word}\">${word}</a>" } or something to that effect.
    - psnehanshu 3y ago
      > world before markdown and not wanting to embed html in the page Wdym
      - shagie 3y ago
        Unrestricted html leads to all sorts of nasty problems with user generated content. Things like <script> bringing in Javascript you don't want, or <iframe> pulling in content you don't want (and messing up the page) or in the days of table layout people just putting in </table>, or people with <a href="goatse.cx"> scattered about in links. So, you limit the text that user generated content is allowed to use. And yet, you still need to figure out a way to allow links between pages within the site - but not allow the person to use an <a> tag. The way c2 did it was with MixedCaseWords that were easy for a regex to pick out and create link targets to. MixedCaseWords required no additional special characters to be used or worry about unmatched character pairs.
        psnehanshu 3y ago
        Now it makes sense, thanks for the explanation.
        3y ago
kalium-xyz 3y ago
Doing searches on google has ended me up on it so many times I ended up bookmarking it and searching it instead.