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How is this an issue, just have in class tests and exams, writing, multiple choices etc. It would end up giving lower weights to slower and more thoughtful writ

How is this an issue, just have in class tests and exams, writing, multiple choices etc. It would end up giving lower weights to slower and more thoughtful writers.

Jeff_Brown 3y ago
The out-of-class assignments were a good opportunity to shine for students who do poorly under stress. This change will hurt them.
- isaacremuant 3y ago
  They're still good. If a student uses Chatgpt to produce working code they can understand and then modify them what's the problem? If you can't evaluate that then you weren't making a significant effort to detect whether it was simply good googling anyway. If the teacher evaluates the right things Chatgpt isn't a problem but just an optional tool.
- jamesliudotcc 3y ago
  In law school, one professor asked if we preferred a take home exam or a proctored exam. To his surprise, we nearly unanimously chose proctored. A take home exam or an essay is not less stress. It just expands the time boundaries of the stressor. The intensity of the stress doesn't ever get as high as an in-class exam perhaps. But the total stress was, in our lived experience, much greater.
  - tzs 3y ago
    At my undergraduate school (Caltech) almost all exams were take home. At my law school there was only one take home exam. I definitely found take home less stressful. Back in those days I was very much not a morning person. With take home I could take the test at a time of day when I was at peak alertness which often occurred at around midnight. For most tests there were several days between when the test was handed out and when it was due, so I could order the tests so that I could take the ones I needed more preparation for at the end of finals week. With in class tests they might occur when I'm less alert, and they might schedule the subjects I need the most prep time for early in the week and the ones I don't need prep for late in the week.
- scarface_74 3y ago
  And how would those students who can’t handle stress in class handle it on the job?
  - beej71 3y ago
    I worked some hard jobs, but I always thought school was harder.

How is this an issue, just have in class tests and exams, writing, multiple choices etc. It would end up giving lower weights to slower and more thoughtful writers.

Jeff_Brown 3y ago

The out-of-class assignments were a good opportunity to shine for students who do poorly under stress. This change will hurt them.

isaacremuant 3y ago
They're still good. If a student uses Chatgpt to produce working code they can understand and then modify them what's the problem? If you can't evaluate that then you weren't making a significant effort to detect whether it was simply good googling anyway. If the teacher evaluates the right things Chatgpt isn't a problem but just an optional tool.
jamesliudotcc 3y ago
In law school, one professor asked if we preferred a take home exam or a proctored exam. To his surprise, we nearly unanimously chose proctored. A take home exam or an essay is not less stress. It just expands the time boundaries of the stressor. The intensity of the stress doesn't ever get as high as an in-class exam perhaps. But the total stress was, in our lived experience, much greater.
- tzs 3y ago
  At my undergraduate school (Caltech) almost all exams were take home. At my law school there was only one take home exam. I definitely found take home less stressful. Back in those days I was very much not a morning person. With take home I could take the test at a time of day when I was at peak alertness which often occurred at around midnight. For most tests there were several days between when the test was handed out and when it was due, so I could order the tests so that I could take the ones I needed more preparation for at the end of finals week. With in class tests they might occur when I'm less alert, and they might schedule the subjects I need the most prep time for early in the week and the ones I don't need prep for late in the week.
scarface_74 3y ago
And how would those students who can’t handle stress in class handle it on the job?
- beej71 3y ago
  I worked some hard jobs, but I always thought school was harder.