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which is quickly becoming deprecated for Wayland On what planet is this true? update: I sit somewhat corrected. I have retried KDE with an NVidia card and /u

by gjvc 3y ago

which is quickly becoming deprecated for Wayland On what planet is this true? update: I sit somewhat corrected. I have retried KDE with an NVidia card and /usr/bin/Xwayland and am impressed. Not 100% perfect, but very usable.

zamadatix 3y ago
Note xwayland isn't included in that. Also some read deprecation as already replaced which isn't necessarily the same thing. Being Asahi is not only brand new but not even near a first stable release the amount of surprise about the lack of xorg focus seems as silly as those that act like wayland reached parity 2 years ago
- yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
  > Note xwayland isn't included in that. I do wonder if that isn't a solution. Couldn't they just ship rootful xwayland as the officially supported X server on Asahi, thereby being able to drop X.org without trashing people's setups? Edit: This is a suggestion, not a "well why didn't they just do this".
  - chungy 3y ago
    XWayland is just an X server on top of Wayland. You could use it to run your whole desktop, but it's not the best use for it. It's really just great at running legacy applications without a Wayland version (especially old games and such).
gjsman-1000 3y ago
This planet. GNOME and KDE have both announced Wayland is default for future releases and they are working towards depreciation. Red Hat has announced they are depreciating Xorg already; which is a huge deal because they are almost single-handedly the only contributor keeping Xorg alive. Once they are done, work on Xorg will basically cease forever. Considering Xorg is based on X11 which dates back to June 1984, I can’t blame them. A graphics system from 1984 is not suitable for 2023 in any capacity. Not without a ton of hacks, workarounds, and jank everywhere.
- dreamcompiler 3y ago
  OT friendly reminder: "depreciation" happens when capital investments lose value over time, often for tax purposes. "deprecation" is when the builders of a tool want to discourage you from using the tool going forward because a better solution exists. The latter is the one that applies to software.
  - gjsman-1000 3y ago
    I know, but I work on a smartphone with ambitious autocorrect.
- shrimp_emoji 3y ago
  But it still won't be at parity or stability with X11 for the next... 10 years, is my guess? So, yes, there's striving to a Wayland, post-X11 future, but it's far from the sure thing that X11 is.
  - gjvc 3y ago
    Seems to be closer than I thought.
wkdneidbwf 3y ago
earth?

by gjvc 3y ago

zamadatix 3y ago

Note xwayland isn't included in that. Also some read deprecation as already replaced which isn't necessarily the same thing. Being Asahi is not only brand new but not even near a first stable release the amount of surprise about the lack of xorg focus seems as silly as those that act like wayland reached parity 2 years ago

yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
> Note xwayland isn't included in that. I do wonder if that isn't a solution. Couldn't they just ship rootful xwayland as the officially supported X server on Asahi, thereby being able to drop X.org without trashing people's setups? Edit: This is a suggestion, not a "well why didn't they just do this".
- chungy 3y ago
  XWayland is just an X server on top of Wayland. You could use it to run your whole desktop, but it's not the best use for it. It's really just great at running legacy applications without a Wayland version (especially old games and such).

gjsman-1000 3y ago

This planet. GNOME and KDE have both announced Wayland is default for future releases and they are working towards depreciation. Red Hat has announced they are depreciating Xorg already; which is a huge deal because they are almost single-handedly the only contributor keeping Xorg alive. Once they are done, work on Xorg will basically cease forever. Considering Xorg is based on X11 which dates back to June 1984, I can’t blame them. A graphics system from 1984 is not suitable for 2023 in any capacity. Not without a ton of hacks, workarounds, and jank everywhere.

dreamcompiler 3y ago
OT friendly reminder: "depreciation" happens when capital investments lose value over time, often for tax purposes. "deprecation" is when the builders of a tool want to discourage you from using the tool going forward because a better solution exists. The latter is the one that applies to software.
- gjsman-1000 3y ago
  I know, but I work on a smartphone with ambitious autocorrect.
shrimp_emoji 3y ago
But it still won't be at parity or stability with X11 for the next... 10 years, is my guess? So, yes, there's striving to a Wayland, post-X11 future, but it's far from the sure thing that X11 is.
- gjvc 3y ago
  Seems to be closer than I thought.

wkdneidbwf 3y ago

earth?