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Real solution depends on increasing jail and prison capacity. Why are massive, state-run, gulag-style camps are not in the books? With spare capacity so that ev

Real solution depends on increasing jail and prison capacity. Why are massive, state-run, gulag-style camps are not in the books? With spare capacity so that every would-be criminal knows there's space for everyone, further deterring them? It must also instill fear and terror in every criminal, including those born and raised in most terrible conditions.

barbazoo 3y ago
Doesn't the US already have the world biggest prison system and the most people in jail/prison. I think the whole concept of it being a deterrent has been debunked.
- DerpyBaby123 3y ago
  I think the comment you replied to was being facetious
- anovikov 3y ago
  Even if it's not a good deterrent, it may solve the problem directly: incarcerate these people and make sure they are too old and sick when they get out, to still be a big problem. Sure US has an overly large prison population but no other developed country is as diverse, it also doesn't have a wide social safety net that works around the problem at the cost of blocking development with insane taxes. It's a country where you either win, or you lose, and the system must ensure that those who lost don't get in the way of those still running.
  - scotty79 3y ago
    I think we should aim at prison capacity of about 90% of the population. Let's face it. About 1% of society can actually live on their own. Another 10% might be able to sustain themselves with work. That leaves about 90% that will eventually end up in jail because of their economic conditions. It's not a bad thing. 10% can watch them, feed them and cloth them, while 1% pays for everything with their pocket money and finally has peace and quiet. /s
    - anovikov 3y ago
      Sarcasm off, i believe that societies are inevitably aiming for something like that, except in a form of rather strict segregation a-la SA Apartheid. I see it as inevitable consequence of infinite scalability of success today. Basically, at some point, top demand in a purely economic sense of those 10% will be safety from remaining 90% with a consequence of government functions of protecting the top 10% being largely privatised.

barbazoo 3y ago

Doesn't the US already have the world biggest prison system and the most people in jail/prison. I think the whole concept of it being a deterrent has been debunked.

DerpyBaby123 3y ago
I think the comment you replied to was being facetious
anovikov 3y ago
Even if it's not a good deterrent, it may solve the problem directly: incarcerate these people and make sure they are too old and sick when they get out, to still be a big problem. Sure US has an overly large prison population but no other developed country is as diverse, it also doesn't have a wide social safety net that works around the problem at the cost of blocking development with insane taxes. It's a country where you either win, or you lose, and the system must ensure that those who lost don't get in the way of those still running.
- scotty79 3y ago
  I think we should aim at prison capacity of about 90% of the population. Let's face it. About 1% of society can actually live on their own. Another 10% might be able to sustain themselves with work. That leaves about 90% that will eventually end up in jail because of their economic conditions. It's not a bad thing. 10% can watch them, feed them and cloth them, while 1% pays for everything with their pocket money and finally has peace and quiet. /s
  - anovikov 3y ago
    Sarcasm off, i believe that societies are inevitably aiming for something like that, except in a form of rather strict segregation a-la SA Apartheid. I see it as inevitable consequence of infinite scalability of success today. Basically, at some point, top demand in a purely economic sense of those 10% will be safety from remaining 90% with a consequence of government functions of protecting the top 10% being largely privatised.