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Snacking Hierarchy
- lurker17 15y agoMore diet and snack hacks: http://weblog.mrbb.org/2010/12/diet-hacks.html http://weblog.mrbb.org/2010/12/diet-hacks.html
- eru 15y ago> Since trying to cut junk out completely is really hard, instead I limit my intake of junk food while ensuring I get the nutrients and energy I need. I actually find it easier to completely abstain from unwanted behaviour, than allowing myself some and keeping a tally. The author's method would probably still work for me, as it doesn't require keeping a tally. Not so much for eating, since I don't have any problem with willpower in that area. But for choosing activities.
- helentoomik 15y agoThis seems to be very personal: some people are "moderators" while others are "abstainers". If you want to change a habit, any habit, it helps to know which category you belong to. http://www.happiness-project.com/happiness_project/2009/01/quiz-are-you-a-moderator-or-an-abstainer.html http://www.happiness-project.com/happiness_project/2009/01/q...
- smackfu 15y ago1. Water 2. Fruit. 3. Nuts or different fruit. 4. One serving of crap. 5. #1 again, etc.
- battaile 15y agoI'd be interested to know what this guys body fat % is because that sounds like some seriously horrible advice.
- NathanKP 15y agoIn what way is it bad advice? To me it makes complete sense. Much of the time when we feel "hunger" we are really just thirsty, so taking a sip of water can be all it takes to satisfy a craving, and stave off snacking. Likewise fruit and nuts are much more healthy than junkfood. So if eating fruit or nuts prevents him from eating junkfood then it is a benefit.
- jkaunisv 15y agoMy body fat % is extremely low, but I can't remember the exact number. When I do those electric handheld fat % tests, they error out. I'm an archetypal tall and skinny nerd, basically. The system works for me because I end up satisfying the craving on healthy stuff before I can get to the unhealthy a lot of the time. That said, everything I write about is based on personal experience and I just try to distill some of the general tips that anyone could use.
- gaustin 15y agoI think another subtle thing some might overlook is that you specifically said "serving." That is something like 2 oreo cookies or a handful of baby carrots. It would be a different story if you ate two baby carrots and then half a package of oreos. Most people would probably make themselves sick before getting too many calories under a reasonable interpretation of this hierarchy.
- jkaunisv 15y agoQuite right. I actually tend to double up my veggie/fruit servings because I like them so much.
- jilebedev 15y ago> Make your long-term decisions when your head is at its clearest, then don’t question those until you’ve had time to track results. Great tip - I've come across it myself when learning emotional maturity. A part of self-awareness is the mental equivalent of trying and failing to sudo - understanding that who I am at the moment isn't who should be making long-term decisions... and being at peace with that. This doesn't dissolve my discontent, but simply adds a sensible maximum to the damage my emotionally-charged moods can have.
- alexholehouse 15y agoWhat time-frame to give between different levels of the hierarchy? One of the reasons sweet/fatty foods are so tasty is because they make us feel full fast - I'd imagine to be super effective you'd need to have some preset length of time between different foods? Irrespective, it's a great idea - starting with water is really good too, as we're a bit rubbish (technically speaking) at differentiating between thirst and hunger.
- jkaunisv 15y agoThanks! The water is actually one of the key parts. I can't fathom how many raisins I would've eaten if I hadn't started sipping water every craving. I don't really put a time frame between levels. It takes a lot for me to feel full so that hasn't been something I've paid attention to. When I say it takes a lot I mean it...I've been denied further service at all-you-can-eat restaurants. For me the craving isn't really about fullness, it's just a desire that can often be sated with water and veggies. I've heard about a 20 minute gap between being full and your stomach letting you know that, so I'd probably put 10 minutes between each snack. But I'm not scientific about this at all so I'm just throwing that number out there.
- jader201 15y ago> ...to mentally active (reading), to mentally passive (videogames, movies) I'm sorry, since when did playing video games become "mentally passive"? (I say that somewhat half-jokingly.) While reading I'm sure is much more healthy than playing video games, I don't think you can put video games -- for the most part -- in the same "mental" classification as watching a movie. Most video games require thinking and coordination. Movies, on the other hand, barely require thought, zero coordination, and free your hands up to stuffing your face with processed goodies.
- jkaunisv 15y agoHaha I thought the videogame line would draw this comment out. I actually agree with you 100% - I love videogames and often argue for them as much deeper and valuable experiences than people give them credit for. In this example it's a personal aspect of how they fit into my life - the games I tend to play these day aren't very mentally engaging. Tends to be something I've played so much it's routine & reflex (CounterStrike) or really easy that I play for other reasons (Pokemon). I actually 'invented' the snacking hierarchy because of CounterStrike. Time between rounds was brutal for eating goodies.
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- mortenjorck 15y agoI appreciate your defense of video games, but now I'm going to have to defend movies. Yes, many movies "barely require thought," yet these are generally movies with the same degree of artistic merit as "mentally passive" video games. I'd argue that the more unimaginative pop fiction qualifies likewise. Whatever the medium, whatever the degree of explicit interactivity, a good example of that medium's literature will require plenty of thought.
- jkaunisv 15y agoWell said. In my case I specifically seek out movies and games for their low mental requirements because I get my mental engagement elsewhere.
- mildweed 15y agoTL;DR: First, I must take a sip of water. Next, I have to eat a serving of vegetables or fruit. Next, I can eat a serving of nuts or more fruit. Last, I am allowed whatever terrible yet tasty treat I want, up to one serving.
- eru 15y agoNot completely accurate. First, the author's reasoning is more interesting than that specific stack. Second, you can opt out at any time: So replace "have to eat [...]" with "may eat".
- jperras 15y agoThe problem with this approach is that you're not really getting much valuable nutrition from what you're eating. 1. Water: Drinking water is, of course, necessary, and quite a few people don't actually hydrate enough during the course of a day. +1 on this from me. 2. Fruits/vegetables: Now, fruits and vegetables are an essential part of any well-balanced diet, but if you're using them to satisfy an intermittent craving, I'm guessing you're probably going to reach for fruits. The problem with this is that if you're reaching for that apple a few times a day, you're still ingesting ~25g of carbohydrates (~9% daily recommended intake), and ~100 kcal. Eat four apples (or similar fruits), and you've suddenly consumed 1/5th of your caloric requirements and almost 40% of your carbs. In terms of macronutrients, an apple has about the same nutritional value as an 8oz bottle of coke. Now don't get me wrong. Reaching for an apple instead of a muffin or a cupcake is unarguably better. If you're reaching for vegetables instead of fruits, then most of what I stated above doesn't really apply. However, when those food cravings come around it's usually in response to a drop in blood glucose levels, which makes you reach for carb-laden foods first. 3. Nuts. Sigh. I don't know why people think nuts are actually something that's supposed to exist in a well-balanced diet. Perhaps it's the recent popularity of paleo. Anyways. Yes, nuts do contain a high percentage of poly- and monounsaturated fats, and fat is good for you. No one is going to argue that. But for the same caloric cost (~150 kcal for a serving of almonds, and that's a pretty tiny serving), you can eat a whole lot of more interesting and nutritious foods. Again, I'm not saying that nuts are inherently bad.
- jkaunisv 15y agoThanks for the more detailed approach. I'm pretty handwavy about my nutrition because I'm overall happy with where I'm at. I do actually go for carrots and broccoli before apples and bananas quite often. I like them a lot. Often I end up eating just a few raisins before it's time for my next actual meal (which is balanced and full of veggies). What are the more interesting and nutritious foods you're talking about? I would like to try them!
- jperras 15y agoA few of my usuals (links are for quick nutritional info): - low-fat/non-fat greek yogurt: http://www.presidentschoice.ca/LCLOnline/products.jsp?type=details&keywords=greek+yogurt&_requestid=614264&productId=prod1340005 http://www.presidentschoice.ca/LCLOnline/products.jsp?type=d... - 1%-2% cottage cheese: http://www.presidentschoice.ca/LCLOnline/products.jsp?type=details&keywords=cottage+cheese&_requestid=614448&productId=prod1540053 http://www.presidentschoice.ca/LCLOnline/products.jsp?type=d... - Smoked salmon - Flaked tuna: http://www.presidentschoice.ca/LCLOnline/products.jsp?type=details&keywords=tuna&_requestid=615046&productId=13599 http://www.presidentschoice.ca/LCLOnline/products.jsp?type=d... (great in salads) Edit: Oh, and a good mix of vegetables is always good. Just watch that your fiber intake doesn't get out of control, since that can cause some digestive... issues.
- dredmorbius 15y agoWhere's the protein (nuts excepted) in this list? Yoghurt and cottage cheese are go-tos for me. Jerky. Some fruit, more veggies. Definitely nuts. And lots and lots of water & tea.
- jkaunisv 15y agoI try not to consume too much dairy or meat. To be clear, this is my snacking hierarchy, not my entire diet. I do have regular meals as well that are more balanced.
- xiaoma 15y agoPeople don't need nearly as much protein as most Americans eat. One thing I've noted again and again during my decade-long stay in Asia is how much more protein westerners (and especially Americans) eat than people here. And interestingly, the US response to obesity has been to go for even more protein. To people who make rice the staple of nearly every meal, it looks insane.
- Psyonic 15y agoAnd to people who don't think empty carbs should be the staple of every meal, your diet looks insane. c'est la vie.
- dredmorbius 15y agoYour body doesn't store protein. Amino acid (or gluconeogenesis) demands which cannot be fulfilled by dietary intake (what you've recently eaten and/or is passing through your digestive tract) are satisfied by catabolizing existing body tissues: skeletal muscle, and eventually, organs. Over time, this adds up. Sarcopenia is age-related muscle loss, which amounts to 0.5%-1% of muscle mass per year. It's reversible through strength training and proper nutrition. While this doesn't require eating hundreds of grams of protein per day (though strength athletes may eat, and benefit from, such quantities), ensuring that your protein intake is spread throughout the day is helpful. Rice is interesting in that, while a carbohydrate, the insulin response to it differs from that of wheat and sugar. That and total dietary intake largely account for the lower prevalence of obesity among traditional Asian diets. The Standard American Diet has a lot to condemn it. While it can be high in protein, it's generally higher in processed carbs, trans fats, and questionably raised and prepared proteins (CAFO / feedlot / factory-raised meats, with beef highly treated with hormones and antibiotics). Among the fitness geeks I know, the first response to those looking to drop fat is to vastly increase the intake of green/colored/leafy/cruciferous vegetables. Just sayin'. Protein intake? 0.5g - 1.25g per pound lean body mass, for general public through advanced strength/cardio athlete. The catabolic effects of long-duration cardio may require more protein even than strength training, ironically.
- laconian 15y agoAir-popped popcorn at home for me. Cheap, easy, filling, but also fiber-rich and not highly caloric. Provided you don't pour a whole stick of butter over the whole thing. :P
- hammock 15y agoPeople are focusing on the eating specifics (or the video games specific) and arguing about that when I think it's the process itself that's most interesting here. You might have different priorities than the OP when it comes to nutrition, or leisure activities - that's fine - substitute in your own priorities so we can talk about the process (Snacking Hierarchy) and its merits. Whether step 2 is Vegetables or Nuts is immaterial. The point is that it's a progressive stepwise motion towards those tempting things that you're trying to avoid.
- jkaunisv 15y agoThanks for noticing that.