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I miss those days here in the US were somekind of sexual impropriety would end someone's political career. Now it seems, at least for one US Political Party, s

by jmclnx 4y ago

I miss those days here in the US were somekind of sexual impropriety would end someone's political career. Now it seems, at least for one US Political Party, sexual impropriety is a requirement to be considered for higher office.

FrankyZunim 4y ago
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slekker 4y ago
If true, the guy just had sex, and someone filmed it, how is that impropriety? Make love not war
kergonath 4y ago
> I miss those days here in the US were somekind of sexual impropriety would end someone's political career. Who cares, as long as sex is consensual? Seriously, what’s wrong with having sex? The fact that a political career can be ended because someone made a fake video is much more troubling. I’m not American, but I am glad we just shrug when we learn about a famous politician’s lover. People are not going to stop fucking. The more we accept that the better, at least then it cannot be used for blackmail or coercion.
- Lutger 4y ago
  I assumed this referring to the recent Trump case, so it is actually about sexual abuse.
  - kergonath 4y ago
    In Trump’s case, it was way more than “impropriety”. I took it as referring to the Turkish politician’s case, where no rape, harassment, or assault is credibly alleged. Abuse is a different thing entirely, but affairs are not abuse per se.
- NeuroCoder 4y ago
  I see where you're coming from but we've had a lot of politicians over the last several years implicated in some pretty bad stuff. From sexual harassment to sex trafficking.
  - kergonath 4y ago
    True. Harassment, rape, and non-consensual sex in general is terrible and should be punished. And we should certainly not elect criminals. Impunity is destroying trust in the state and the government. If you think the US have it bad, have a loony at the recent history in the uk. This is utterly appalling. This is a bit different, though. Having an affair is not a crime and should not be. Not having an affair but having opponents making up fake documents is even worse.
- enraged_camel 4y ago
  I think the issue isn’t the sex, but the circumstances surrounding it. Such as infidelity or exploitative power dynamics.
- csunbird 4y ago
  In case of Turkish politicians, they are all claiming to be following the religion of Islam and it is forbidden to have non-marital sex in Islam religion. Such tapes can definitely end someones political career very swiftly in Türkiye. Unfortunately, someone claiming not to be following Islam religion is not going to be elected at all, but maybe this will change into the future, so that religion stops being criteria to be elected. Maybe one day...
  - kergonath 4y ago
    > In case of Turkish politicians, they are all claiming to be following the religion of Islam and it is forbidden to have non-marital sex in Islam religion. So they have something in common with holier-than-thou republican hypocrites. And many others around the world, this attitude is not uniquely Turkish or American. > Such tapes can definitely end someones political career very swiftly in Türkiye. In some presumably-liberal western countries as well, unfortunately. > Maybe one day... I really hope so. For the sake of everyone living there.
- snickerbockers 4y ago
  Also wouldn't this technically be considered revenge porn under current US law?
- abvaw 4y ago
  Imagine coming in 2023 to an American site and telling people to have any sort of moral standards, like not having extra-marital sex. What a sucker.
whimsicalism 4y ago
Such a day never existed in the US
- jmclnx 4y ago
  There was Gary Hart who had to withdraw in 1976 (IIRC) due to just a rumored affair. I think things would be much different if he had won. Now, just a "regular" affair is not even news worthy, to be news worthy, somekind of abuse needs to be attached to the activity. And that does not cause any harm to the candidate, especially if a member of the GOP.
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webmobdev 4y ago
Ah, the good ol days of sex scandals in America - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gczkM8cL2hs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gczkM8cL2hs
arp242 4y ago
I miss those days we could talk about Turkish politics without someone forcibly injecting completely unrelated US politics in to it for no apparent reason what-so-ever.

by jmclnx 4y ago

FrankyZunim 4y ago

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slekker 4y ago

If true, the guy just had sex, and someone filmed it, how is that impropriety? Make love not war

kergonath 4y ago

> I miss those days here in the US were somekind of sexual impropriety would end someone's political career. Who cares, as long as sex is consensual? Seriously, what’s wrong with having sex? The fact that a political career can be ended because someone made a fake video is much more troubling. I’m not American, but I am glad we just shrug when we learn about a famous politician’s lover. People are not going to stop fucking. The more we accept that the better, at least then it cannot be used for blackmail or coercion.

Lutger 4y ago
I assumed this referring to the recent Trump case, so it is actually about sexual abuse.
- kergonath 4y ago
  In Trump’s case, it was way more than “impropriety”. I took it as referring to the Turkish politician’s case, where no rape, harassment, or assault is credibly alleged. Abuse is a different thing entirely, but affairs are not abuse per se.
NeuroCoder 4y ago
I see where you're coming from but we've had a lot of politicians over the last several years implicated in some pretty bad stuff. From sexual harassment to sex trafficking.
- kergonath 4y ago
  True. Harassment, rape, and non-consensual sex in general is terrible and should be punished. And we should certainly not elect criminals. Impunity is destroying trust in the state and the government. If you think the US have it bad, have a loony at the recent history in the uk. This is utterly appalling. This is a bit different, though. Having an affair is not a crime and should not be. Not having an affair but having opponents making up fake documents is even worse.
enraged_camel 4y ago
I think the issue isn’t the sex, but the circumstances surrounding it. Such as infidelity or exploitative power dynamics.
csunbird 4y ago
In case of Turkish politicians, they are all claiming to be following the religion of Islam and it is forbidden to have non-marital sex in Islam religion. Such tapes can definitely end someones political career very swiftly in Türkiye. Unfortunately, someone claiming not to be following Islam religion is not going to be elected at all, but maybe this will change into the future, so that religion stops being criteria to be elected. Maybe one day...
- kergonath 4y ago
  > In case of Turkish politicians, they are all claiming to be following the religion of Islam and it is forbidden to have non-marital sex in Islam religion. So they have something in common with holier-than-thou republican hypocrites. And many others around the world, this attitude is not uniquely Turkish or American. > Such tapes can definitely end someones political career very swiftly in Türkiye. In some presumably-liberal western countries as well, unfortunately. > Maybe one day... I really hope so. For the sake of everyone living there.
snickerbockers 4y ago
Also wouldn't this technically be considered revenge porn under current US law?
abvaw 4y ago
Imagine coming in 2023 to an American site and telling people to have any sort of moral standards, like not having extra-marital sex. What a sucker.

whimsicalism 4y ago

Such a day never existed in the US

jmclnx 4y ago
There was Gary Hart who had to withdraw in 1976 (IIRC) due to just a rumored affair. I think things would be much different if he had won. Now, just a "regular" affair is not even news worthy, to be news worthy, somekind of abuse needs to be attached to the activity. And that does not cause any harm to the candidate, especially if a member of the GOP.

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webmobdev 4y ago

Ah, the good ol days of sex scandals in America - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gczkM8cL2hs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gczkM8cL2hs

arp242 4y ago

I miss those days we could talk about Turkish politics without someone forcibly injecting completely unrelated US politics in to it for no apparent reason what-so-ever.