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I'm pretty torn here. I don't believe I deserve access to free content, and there's _nothing_ wrong with any site blocking access if you don't want to see ads.

I'm pretty torn here. I don't believe I deserve access to free content, and there's _nothing_ wrong with any site blocking access if you don't want to see ads. I've done a lot of digital curtailing in my life, but Youtube has been hard to avoid. It's both good and bad, as they have some of the most amazing content in the whole world, but also some of the most addictive trash that I can't stop watching. Because the service is so addicting, I'm not sure I could justify paying for it, even though the value it brings is incredible.

AuthError 3y ago
consuming content for free where creators expect to get paid is polite way of stealing if you really think about it
- brokenmachine 3y ago
  Generating money by forcing ads to be shown on someone else's device, using the power and internet connection that they pay for, is also stealing if you really think about it. Very similar to cryptojacking malware.
- belorn 3y ago
  In my country a publisher is liable for anything they say unless they have a license, and the license require that they abide to local laws. Youtube do not do this since they think they do not need to follow those laws, nor do they take responsibility for anything they publish (including advertisement). They don't even pay value gain taxes when selling this content in return for the service of me watching the ad. I will respect their expectations when they respect mine.
  - ghayes 3y ago
    That sounds pretty bleak, honestly. While you can disagree with Youtube and its policies, the idea of open free speech should appear, at first blush, more important than strict protections against libel or hate speech.
    - belorn 3y ago
      The kind of speech that is limited would be things like publishing malware, or doing illegal advertisement. No advertisement to kids, no alcohol, no tobacco, no prescription medicine, no guns, and no fraudulent messages. Taxes is also pretty much defined by the expectation of compensation. If a speaker talks on a conferences and get paid to do so, they will need to pay taxes. They have as much open free speech they can get, but they are not free to demand compensation for it without paying taxes.
- ou8_1_2 3y ago
  -google ads before the video -google ads after the video -google ads DURING the video, if it's too long. -At least one "this video sponsored by our sponsor, sponsor sponsor". There's a limit to how many ads I'm willing to sit through to watch someone tell me why Harbor Freight tools are [The Greatest Thing Ever || Worthless Garbage]
- yawpitch 3y ago
  No, if you really think about it, that’s not remotely true here. A creator — myself included — is paid by Google for their content, which Google uses to attract the eyeballs that the advertisers are paying them to serve ads to… the creator doesn’t actually have any interest (financial or otherwise) in whether or not those ads are actually being watched (as opposed to being served). Since virtually all creators rely on non-Google-served advertising income streams (PayPal, merch, sponsorships, etc) for their real income, and invasive ads merely impede that, anything that Google does to drive people to ad blockers really just hurts creators. No stealing is occurring.
  - bagacrap 3y ago
    This is some truly incredible mental gymnastics.
    - yawpitch 3y ago
      No gymnastics required at all. I produce media and I sell it to Google. Google in turn produces an interested audience for that media and sells their views to advertisers in the form of ads served. Advertising agencies in turn produce ads to sell to (for example) GM… GM is the ONLY party with a material interest in the ad actually being viewed by the (potential) consumer, as they’re the only party who can convert my media into a GM vehicle being sold. If anyone in that chain can consider an ad blocker theft, it’s GM… that’d still be wrong, of course, for the same reason ignoring a billboard on the freeway isn’t theft. When you lay a trap and your prey refuses to be caught they aren’t harming you.
- porkbeer 3y ago
  I support my creators directly. Few if any make enough from youtube to produce videos. All are either sponsored or patreon supported.
- vehemenz 3y ago
  I thought about it more and realized it wasn't stealing. What do we do now?
- everdrive 3y ago
  Many of the creators I listen to sell their content, and when they do, I pay for it if I can. (some do not sell their content on a service which allows for non-DRM audio purchases.)
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Mistletoe 3y ago
Can you list some of the amazing content you like?
- ruthie_cohen 3y ago
  Not OP, but off the top of my head: - Vlad Vexler - Reporting from Ukraine - Real Engineering - Mustard - Half as Interesting - Coffeezilla I mean the reality is that YT has high quality content for almost any subject matter you can think of. That’s the beauty of the platform, you can find your niche. Hell, it’s even good for most things that pop into your head, podcast clips, old commercials, instruction manuals, DIY etc etc.
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    Several of these are on Nebula [1], for what it's worth. [1] https://nebula.tv https://nebula.tv
    - anticensor 3y ago
      Nebula lacks comments and live streaming.
      - Mistletoe 3y ago
        This is a pro in most cases haha.
- everdrive 3y ago
  I listen to a LOT of amateur music on Youtube. This probably won't be most people's fancy, but I consider this to be the best performance of this particular song which exists. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ6-8IIuJnc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ6-8IIuJnc There's a lot on Youtube like this. Music which is either just a cover, or is original that you literally can't find anywhere else because some hobbyist threw it up there and then stopped performing years ago. There are also plenty of amazing lectures. I'm about halfway through this Yale course, but need to get back to watching it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo-YL-lv3RY&list=PLh9mgdi4rNeyuvTEbD-Ei0JdMUujXfyWi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo-YL-lv3RY&list=PLh9mgdi4rN...
diego_sandoval 3y ago
Have you tried deleting your watch history so that the "bad" content srops being suggested to you?
- porkbeer 3y ago
  I have and it did not seem to help at all.
- everdrive 3y ago
  All this does is reset the bad content. The only way to really master youtube is to block recommendations, which can be done with uBlock Origin.

AuthError 3y ago

consuming content for free where creators expect to get paid is polite way of stealing if you really think about it

brokenmachine 3y ago
Generating money by forcing ads to be shown on someone else's device, using the power and internet connection that they pay for, is also stealing if you really think about it. Very similar to cryptojacking malware.
belorn 3y ago
In my country a publisher is liable for anything they say unless they have a license, and the license require that they abide to local laws. Youtube do not do this since they think they do not need to follow those laws, nor do they take responsibility for anything they publish (including advertisement). They don't even pay value gain taxes when selling this content in return for the service of me watching the ad. I will respect their expectations when they respect mine.
- ghayes 3y ago
  That sounds pretty bleak, honestly. While you can disagree with Youtube and its policies, the idea of open free speech should appear, at first blush, more important than strict protections against libel or hate speech.
  - belorn 3y ago
    The kind of speech that is limited would be things like publishing malware, or doing illegal advertisement. No advertisement to kids, no alcohol, no tobacco, no prescription medicine, no guns, and no fraudulent messages. Taxes is also pretty much defined by the expectation of compensation. If a speaker talks on a conferences and get paid to do so, they will need to pay taxes. They have as much open free speech they can get, but they are not free to demand compensation for it without paying taxes.
ou8_1_2 3y ago
-google ads before the video -google ads after the video -google ads DURING the video, if it's too long. -At least one "this video sponsored by our sponsor, sponsor sponsor". There's a limit to how many ads I'm willing to sit through to watch someone tell me why Harbor Freight tools are [The Greatest Thing Ever || Worthless Garbage]
yawpitch 3y ago
No, if you really think about it, that’s not remotely true here. A creator — myself included — is paid by Google for their content, which Google uses to attract the eyeballs that the advertisers are paying them to serve ads to… the creator doesn’t actually have any interest (financial or otherwise) in whether or not those ads are actually being watched (as opposed to being served). Since virtually all creators rely on non-Google-served advertising income streams (PayPal, merch, sponsorships, etc) for their real income, and invasive ads merely impede that, anything that Google does to drive people to ad blockers really just hurts creators. No stealing is occurring.
- bagacrap 3y ago
  This is some truly incredible mental gymnastics.
  - yawpitch 3y ago
    No gymnastics required at all. I produce media and I sell it to Google. Google in turn produces an interested audience for that media and sells their views to advertisers in the form of ads served. Advertising agencies in turn produce ads to sell to (for example) GM… GM is the ONLY party with a material interest in the ad actually being viewed by the (potential) consumer, as they’re the only party who can convert my media into a GM vehicle being sold. If anyone in that chain can consider an ad blocker theft, it’s GM… that’d still be wrong, of course, for the same reason ignoring a billboard on the freeway isn’t theft. When you lay a trap and your prey refuses to be caught they aren’t harming you.
porkbeer 3y ago
I support my creators directly. Few if any make enough from youtube to produce videos. All are either sponsored or patreon supported.
vehemenz 3y ago
I thought about it more and realized it wasn't stealing. What do we do now?
everdrive 3y ago
Many of the creators I listen to sell their content, and when they do, I pay for it if I can. (some do not sell their content on a service which allows for non-DRM audio purchases.)

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Mistletoe 3y ago

Can you list some of the amazing content you like?

ruthie_cohen 3y ago
Not OP, but off the top of my head: - Vlad Vexler - Reporting from Ukraine - Real Engineering - Mustard - Half as Interesting - Coffeezilla I mean the reality is that YT has high quality content for almost any subject matter you can think of. That’s the beauty of the platform, you can find your niche. Hell, it’s even good for most things that pop into your head, podcast clips, old commercials, instruction manuals, DIY etc etc.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  Several of these are on Nebula [1], for what it's worth. [1] https://nebula.tv https://nebula.tv
  - anticensor 3y ago
    Nebula lacks comments and live streaming.
    - Mistletoe 3y ago
      This is a pro in most cases haha.
everdrive 3y ago
I listen to a LOT of amateur music on Youtube. This probably won't be most people's fancy, but I consider this to be the best performance of this particular song which exists. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ6-8IIuJnc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ6-8IIuJnc There's a lot on Youtube like this. Music which is either just a cover, or is original that you literally can't find anywhere else because some hobbyist threw it up there and then stopped performing years ago. There are also plenty of amazing lectures. I'm about halfway through this Yale course, but need to get back to watching it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo-YL-lv3RY&list=PLh9mgdi4rNeyuvTEbD-Ei0JdMUujXfyWi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo-YL-lv3RY&list=PLh9mgdi4rN...

diego_sandoval 3y ago

Have you tried deleting your watch history so that the "bad" content srops being suggested to you?

porkbeer 3y ago
I have and it did not seem to help at all.
everdrive 3y ago
All this does is reset the bad content. The only way to really master youtube is to block recommendations, which can be done with uBlock Origin.