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The issue is getting people to click on your website, why would any one do that if the entire content is already extracted by the ai, which directly gave it to

The issue is getting people to click on your website, why would any one do that if the entire content is already extracted by the ai, which directly gave it to the user?

fny 3y ago
Isn’t this an issue as is? Theres a lot of content summarized at the top which answers the question I have more often than not.
- waboremo 3y ago
  Somewhat, it's only not really an issue currently because most of the top answers aren't great and you want to look for a better overview. You can't currently get the overview from Bing or Google, only whatever sentence they've decided to highlight.
pers0n 3y ago
Exactly, just like info gets ripped off websites onto Wikipedia, with very few references, it’s hell getting them cuz they claim you want the link back, cahtgpt references hardly anything
add-sub-mul-div 3y ago
Maybe we'll end up in a place where most people ask an LLM and take the first opaque answer they're given and be done with it. But others with more curiosity and skepticism will continue to go to real sources, evaluate their trustworthiness, weigh a few against each other, bypass intentional or unintentional bias/censorship in some tech giant's algorithm.
brookst 3y ago
Are you saying that the motive for posting a bread recipe that starts with 5000 words about the history of bread will evaporate, so we'll be left with websites from enthusiasts who have something interesting to say?
- micromacrofoot 3y ago
  maybe… but will an ai search even tell you those sites exist?
  - pvarangot 3y ago
    It will tell you the information. Information wants to be free. Right?
    - coffeebeqn 3y ago
      Free to be harvested and monopolized by a few giant corporations..
  - dragonwriter 3y ago
    If it is designed and prompted to be able to reference sites rather than just give freestanding “answers” with no context, yes.
- dahwolf 3y ago
  You think AI will stop and pause as it comes across your "interesting things"? Hey look, it's enthusiast content, let's send our users directly to their website? I don't think so. It's going to be vacuumed into the big machine and nobody will visit those websites. In fairness, pretty much nobody does today.
  - brookst 3y ago
    So what? As an enthusiast am I supposed to be motivated by the page counter on my site? Besides, good writers are good writers. Would you rather read Matt Levine or some AI summary of his latest piece? I'm just not seeing the problem. IMO the whole obsession with driving clicks was silly from the get-go and destructive now. If AI does away with that, great. And if people whose sole motivation for writing was to get clicks decide to stop writing... well, OK.
    - 3y ago
renewiltord 3y ago
Well, finally people will just make things for the pleasure of adding to the knowledge in the world rather than trying to "build an audience" or "monetize my content" or whatever. No one is going to click through to your blog, so you have no incentive to shittify it. We're going back to the original days of the Internet that HN users often beg for. Now only the true creators will create for the sake of creation: ars artia gratis.
- ipaddr 3y ago
  The early days of the internet people made content and it was easy to find and get readers. Under this new world your content is impossible to find by real users. Opposite of the early internet
  - ElFitz 3y ago
    Maybe we’ll have to create something where like-minded actual people share links to content they found interesting? Perhaps this thing could be tailored to a specific community? Or be, itself, a community of communities? I may just be onto something here… damn, this may be a billion dollar idea. Joking aside, I’m pretty sure this will make communities like HN and Reddit, and closed discords, slack & all, blow up. Google’s results already are worthless half the time anyway.
crazygringo 3y ago
Because an article isn't a snippet? People who just want a basic factual answer to a question won't go to your site, they'll use Google's snippet as they already do now in many cases. But people who want to read your whole article will continue to go to your site. This seems entirely reasonable to me. I shouldn't have to visit a webpage to discover when Abraham Lincoln was born, but I should if I want to read a short bio of him.
- chrisbolt 3y ago
  Why? Lincoln's birth date and his bio are both things that could be figured out by anyone with a few minutes of time.
marginalia_nu 3y ago
I think it comes down to user experience. Is your website more pleasant to use than ChatGPT/Bard/Bing Chat? Some actually are. Websites can load fast, be responsive, beautiful and well thought out. Those websites are a treat to visit. However, if you need to first dismiss a GDPR waiver, a request to know your location, a request to show notifications, a chatbot that is available right now for a free sales consultation, and a request to subscribe to a newsletter; and once you do that, the page jumps around for 30 seconds as the ad auctions finish and obtrusive video ads flood in, and when you try to exit the page your back-button is hijacked; then the answer is probably "no".

The issue is getting people to click on your website, why would any one do that if the entire content is already extracted by the ai, which directly gave it to the user?

fny 3y ago

Isn’t this an issue as is? Theres a lot of content summarized at the top which answers the question I have more often than not.

waboremo 3y ago
Somewhat, it's only not really an issue currently because most of the top answers aren't great and you want to look for a better overview. You can't currently get the overview from Bing or Google, only whatever sentence they've decided to highlight.

pers0n 3y ago

Exactly, just like info gets ripped off websites onto Wikipedia, with very few references, it’s hell getting them cuz they claim you want the link back, cahtgpt references hardly anything

add-sub-mul-div 3y ago

Maybe we'll end up in a place where most people ask an LLM and take the first opaque answer they're given and be done with it. But others with more curiosity and skepticism will continue to go to real sources, evaluate their trustworthiness, weigh a few against each other, bypass intentional or unintentional bias/censorship in some tech giant's algorithm.

brookst 3y ago

Are you saying that the motive for posting a bread recipe that starts with 5000 words about the history of bread will evaporate, so we'll be left with websites from enthusiasts who have something interesting to say?

micromacrofoot 3y ago
maybe… but will an ai search even tell you those sites exist?
- pvarangot 3y ago
  It will tell you the information. Information wants to be free. Right?
  - coffeebeqn 3y ago
    Free to be harvested and monopolized by a few giant corporations..
- dragonwriter 3y ago
  If it is designed and prompted to be able to reference sites rather than just give freestanding “answers” with no context, yes.
dahwolf 3y ago
You think AI will stop and pause as it comes across your "interesting things"? Hey look, it's enthusiast content, let's send our users directly to their website? I don't think so. It's going to be vacuumed into the big machine and nobody will visit those websites. In fairness, pretty much nobody does today.
- brookst 3y ago
  So what? As an enthusiast am I supposed to be motivated by the page counter on my site? Besides, good writers are good writers. Would you rather read Matt Levine or some AI summary of his latest piece? I'm just not seeing the problem. IMO the whole obsession with driving clicks was silly from the get-go and destructive now. If AI does away with that, great. And if people whose sole motivation for writing was to get clicks decide to stop writing... well, OK.
  - 3y ago

renewiltord 3y ago

Well, finally people will just make things for the pleasure of adding to the knowledge in the world rather than trying to "build an audience" or "monetize my content" or whatever. No one is going to click through to your blog, so you have no incentive to shittify it. We're going back to the original days of the Internet that HN users often beg for. Now only the true creators will create for the sake of creation: ars artia gratis.

ipaddr 3y ago
The early days of the internet people made content and it was easy to find and get readers. Under this new world your content is impossible to find by real users. Opposite of the early internet
- ElFitz 3y ago
  Maybe we’ll have to create something where like-minded actual people share links to content they found interesting? Perhaps this thing could be tailored to a specific community? Or be, itself, a community of communities? I may just be onto something here… damn, this may be a billion dollar idea. Joking aside, I’m pretty sure this will make communities like HN and Reddit, and closed discords, slack & all, blow up. Google’s results already are worthless half the time anyway.

crazygringo 3y ago

Because an article isn't a snippet? People who just want a basic factual answer to a question won't go to your site, they'll use Google's snippet as they already do now in many cases. But people who want to read your whole article will continue to go to your site. This seems entirely reasonable to me. I shouldn't have to visit a webpage to discover when Abraham Lincoln was born, but I should if I want to read a short bio of him.

chrisbolt 3y ago
Why? Lincoln's birth date and his bio are both things that could be figured out by anyone with a few minutes of time.

marginalia_nu 3y ago

I think it comes down to user experience. Is your website more pleasant to use than ChatGPT/Bard/Bing Chat? Some actually are. Websites can load fast, be responsive, beautiful and well thought out. Those websites are a treat to visit. However, if you need to first dismiss a GDPR waiver, a request to know your location, a request to show notifications, a chatbot that is available right now for a free sales consultation, and a request to subscribe to a newsletter; and once you do that, the page jumps around for 30 seconds as the ad auctions finish and obtrusive video ads flood in, and when you try to exit the page your back-button is hijacked; then the answer is probably "no".