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I am a lead on a project that uses a 'nearshore' team to augment a very small team of very senior devs. 20+ years each respectively. That decision was made ab
by EMM_386 3y ago
I am a lead on a project that uses a 'nearshore' team to augment a very small team of very senior devs. 20+ years each respectively.
That decision was made above me, but has turned out well. Code quality is good and the pay should cause concern US developers.
This is an enterprise system with an Angular 15 front-end. Just the front-end is complex enough that it requires strong understanding of how to write proper Angular/RxJs reactive code, with a highly dynamic UI, on top of all of the Angular fundamentals.
The code is of quality you would expect from an experienced developer, and done on time.
I look at some of the salaries for similar front-end work in SV/SF and it is so out of line compared to this I don't know what to say. "High cost of living" can be discussed all day, but then companies can just hire someone who isn't in a high cost of living area who can do the same thing. For a lot less.
US software engineering is facing multiple challenges on all fronts. We have a lot of junior developers out of bootcamps who can't find work due to saturation, we have nearshore companies with skilled engineers that cost a fraction of what the US employee would cost, and now we have AI like GTP-4 that is very strong when provided with the right prompts.
We'll see how this all turns out.
- carlosjobim 3y agoUS developer salaries are not high because their employers want to be nice, they are high because the employees deliver work that makes/saves much more money than they cost. So in fact there is money to give remote devs in Latin America the same high salaries for the same reasons. If they instead press salaries down, then I guess the solution is for US devs to move to Latin America and reap the increased quality of life. There is really no good reason for the typical young programmer to live in hostile environments like the US or Europe. In the long run the result is that Latin American based business might out-compete North American, since the talent is there and the customers are world-wide.
- 908B64B197 3y ago> Code quality is good and the pay should cause concern US developers. > I look at some of the salaries for similar front-end work in SV/SF and it is so out of line compared to this I don't know what to say. "High cost of living" can be discussed all day, but then companies can just hire someone who isn't in a high cost of living area who can do the same thing. For a lot less. The devs you hired know about this. Now, they have experience at an American company on their resume. Making it easier for them to jump ship to these jobs in the Bay Area.
- rhaway84773 3y agoWhy exactly would anyone move physically when everyone is insisting remote work is as good and no one is collocated anymore?
- charlie0 3y agoIf you see other threads about hiring, it appears many people are getting jobs solely based of their network. This is much easier and faster to build in person.
- 908B64B197 3y agoThey might switch to remote to work for one of these firms, at a much better pay. Eventually, they might transfer to a team that's more committed to staying in-office and get an L1 company transfer. I've seen it happen (very frequently). There are very little arbitrage opportunity in this world.
- diebeforei485 3y ago> We have a lot of junior developers out of bootcamps who can't find work due to saturation Most bootcamps simply aren't that great. The early bootcamps were extremely selective at choosing students who were already good at math or logical reasoning or some other helpful skill, and putting them through an intense process. Some combination of policymakers, the HR industry, and the DEI industry then decided that this could scale.