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Hope for Mexico they dont follow the unhumane worker rights of the states. Basically europe has the same principles as in Mexico and people in Europe have good

Hope for Mexico they dont follow the unhumane worker rights of the states. Basically europe has the same principles as in Mexico and people in Europe have good lifes.

seanmcdirmid 3y ago
It’s a trade off: countries that are hard to fire are also hard to hire. So your life is great in Europe once you secured employment, but employers are extra careful and very conservative in hiring.
- SketchySeaBeast 3y ago
  Didn't the grandparent poster literally say "hire slow, fire fast"?
- projectazorian 3y ago
  I think most European countries still allow for probationary periods; if I recall correctly they can stretch into years in some cases. Surely 6 months is enough to figure out whether or not someone will be a dud. Maybe you won’t know their full potential at that point but you should have a good idea of whether or not they meet minimum standards.
  - red-iron-pine 3y ago
    Many also allow for casual or part-time gigs with less protections, which ends up with tons of almost-full-time workers putting in the time to prove they're worthy of being bumped to full-time. Not much different to the contracting world in IT, really.
ye-olde-sysrq 3y ago
Yeah, TIL Mexico is so pro-Labor. It's disgusting to see "we have to pay 6 months severance to chuck out someone who spent half a decade of their lives with us!" said unironically, even on this board.
- mikeryan 3y ago
  Let me clarify the point. I don’t have an issue with the severance for staff I’ve had to let go for as layoffs due to economic conditions of the company. I’ve made those severance payments without issue. My issue is more with letting go of people for performance reasons. Hiring someone for 2 months and finding out they are under performing still requires the severance pay. You can fight this with the labor board but the standard is high when letting go because of performance. It’s a paradigm shift for most US based companies where letting someone go for performance reasons can come at a low cost. It also means, in the context of this thread, that Mexico is at a competitive disadvantage to other south and Central American countries with more lax labor laws.
  - TremendousJudge 3y ago
    From the point of view of the worker, it's the same thing -- you were employed with the expectation of stability, now you're getting fired and have to find another job before your family ends up on the street. It's a very vulnerable position to be as a worker, which is why in many countries they have the right to severance pay. Anyway, it's common (here in Uruguay at least) for contracts to include a 3 month "test period" clause where the company can fire you without paying severance, to prepare for that exact situation. Don't you do that? It's reasonable enough to me.
- sershe 3y ago
  So, when you decide to leave a company where you have spent half a decade, do you provide 6 months free labor, or do you do the disgusting thing and just leave?
  - ye-olde-sysrq 3y ago
    A worker leaving is not even remotely as impactful to a company as a worker being let go is to the worker and their family. It's absurd to even imply it's the case.
    - sershe 3y ago

Hope for Mexico they dont follow the unhumane worker rights of the states. Basically europe has the same principles as in Mexico and people in Europe have good lifes.

seanmcdirmid 3y ago

It’s a trade off: countries that are hard to fire are also hard to hire. So your life is great in Europe once you secured employment, but employers are extra careful and very conservative in hiring.

SketchySeaBeast 3y ago
Didn't the grandparent poster literally say "hire slow, fire fast"?
projectazorian 3y ago
I think most European countries still allow for probationary periods; if I recall correctly they can stretch into years in some cases. Surely 6 months is enough to figure out whether or not someone will be a dud. Maybe you won’t know their full potential at that point but you should have a good idea of whether or not they meet minimum standards.
- red-iron-pine 3y ago
  Many also allow for casual or part-time gigs with less protections, which ends up with tons of almost-full-time workers putting in the time to prove they're worthy of being bumped to full-time. Not much different to the contracting world in IT, really.

ye-olde-sysrq 3y ago

Yeah, TIL Mexico is so pro-Labor. It's disgusting to see "we have to pay 6 months severance to chuck out someone who spent half a decade of their lives with us!" said unironically, even on this board.

mikeryan 3y ago
Let me clarify the point. I don’t have an issue with the severance for staff I’ve had to let go for as layoffs due to economic conditions of the company. I’ve made those severance payments without issue. My issue is more with letting go of people for performance reasons. Hiring someone for 2 months and finding out they are under performing still requires the severance pay. You can fight this with the labor board but the standard is high when letting go because of performance. It’s a paradigm shift for most US based companies where letting someone go for performance reasons can come at a low cost. It also means, in the context of this thread, that Mexico is at a competitive disadvantage to other south and Central American countries with more lax labor laws.
- TremendousJudge 3y ago
  From the point of view of the worker, it's the same thing -- you were employed with the expectation of stability, now you're getting fired and have to find another job before your family ends up on the street. It's a very vulnerable position to be as a worker, which is why in many countries they have the right to severance pay. Anyway, it's common (here in Uruguay at least) for contracts to include a 3 month "test period" clause where the company can fire you without paying severance, to prepare for that exact situation. Don't you do that? It's reasonable enough to me.
sershe 3y ago
So, when you decide to leave a company where you have spent half a decade, do you provide 6 months free labor, or do you do the disgusting thing and just leave?
- ye-olde-sysrq 3y ago
  A worker leaving is not even remotely as impactful to a company as a worker being let go is to the worker and their family. It's absurd to even imply it's the case.
  - sershe 3y ago