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I'd rather my doctor look up an answer in a medical textbook rather than "not cheat" and allow me to die in adherence to the noble idea that only the ideas we c

I'd rather my doctor look up an answer in a medical textbook rather than "not cheat" and allow me to die in adherence to the noble idea that only the ideas we can keep in our long-term memory are worthy.

chii 3y ago
but cheating indicates a lack of moral integrity, which might seep into the aspect of how they treat their patients.
2-718-281-828 3y ago
a cheating doctor would prescribe / perform unnecessary drugs / procedures / surgeries for personal gain or out of carelessness.
- hirvi74 3y ago
  This is basically how western medicine operates in the US to begin with.
  - 2-718-281-828 3y ago
    to be fair - I also met doctors who appeared to be competent and afaict didn't take advantage of my situation.
    - hirvi74 3y ago
      Sure, plenty out there exist. However, it's not always the doctor but hospital admins that tighten the screws. Doctors may care about treating patients, but hospitals only care about one thing -- money. Pressuring doctors into pursuing unnecessary treatments are one of many ways hospitals try to increase revenue.
  - laratied 3y ago
    That is simply not true. What you are ascribing to personal gain is just protecting against personal loss. Ordering an extra test or an extra drug is mostly a doctor covering themselves from potential lawsuit.
    - siftrics 3y ago
      You're delusional if you think physicians maliciously over-prescribing in the US is not a problem. People are tremendously impacted, for good or ill, when prescribed pain medications, ADHD medications, anti-depressants, etc. Many of these people are harmed. Many of the doctors who caused them harm simply do not care.
      - hirvi74 3y ago
        No kidding. The slightest issue with a medication, and every doctor I have seen starts foaming at the mouth, "I can prescribe X to help with that." Then before you know it, you have to take a pill to take a pill. Then down the road, you have to take a pill to take a pill to take a pill. I'm no medical Calvinist either, but I am not sure that polypharmacy should be the end goal if it can be avoided.
  - tristor 3y ago
    That's blatantly untrue. The primary criticism to Western medicine is that is has a high cost because doctors are afraid of being sued for malpractice and order lots of unnecessary and invasive tests to confirm any diagnosis before ordering a treatment. It's basically the exact opposite of what you say, which when taken to the extreme is also problematic.
    - siftrics 3y ago
      What about the opioid crisis? What about the Sacklers? Was all of that fiction?
- HDThoreaun 3y ago
  Overprescription is a gigantic problem in the US. Most of that can be attributed to being overly careful, but many doctors are legitimately just prescribing treatments that are known to be unhelpful in expectation for personal gain. Knee and hip surgeries are common examples. They regularly degrade quality of life in recipients. We should be doing less, but then the surgeons that perform them would make less money.
- throw9away6 3y ago
  So just your rental urgent care doc?
watwut 3y ago
Double checking a book when figuring out treatment is not cheating, it is normal. Cheating for a doctor would be going with the feeling without double checking. However, when learning for exam, it is cheating, because exams define minimum set of stuff that you should have in memory at that point.
11101010001100 3y ago
eventually, the cheaters won't know what to look up...
dylan604 3y ago
Rarely in real life will the situations not be open book exams. While coding, we have access to interactive/searchable docs, demos, tutorials, and of course SO and the likes. At work, we can chat with co-workers when we're stuck or have an idea but really feel like there's probably something better if more than one head was working on it.
leroy-is-here 3y ago
Verifying a measurement isn’t cheating. The word exists because it is memory externalized.
JohnFen 3y ago
Using reference works in the course of doing your job is not cheating.
- randcraw 3y ago
  Yes, if you're doing what the patient and the regulators want you to do, that ain't cheating.

chii 3y ago

but cheating indicates a lack of moral integrity, which might seep into the aspect of how they treat their patients.

2-718-281-828 3y ago

a cheating doctor would prescribe / perform unnecessary drugs / procedures / surgeries for personal gain or out of carelessness.

hirvi74 3y ago
This is basically how western medicine operates in the US to begin with.
- 2-718-281-828 3y ago
  to be fair - I also met doctors who appeared to be competent and afaict didn't take advantage of my situation.
  - hirvi74 3y ago
    Sure, plenty out there exist. However, it's not always the doctor but hospital admins that tighten the screws. Doctors may care about treating patients, but hospitals only care about one thing -- money. Pressuring doctors into pursuing unnecessary treatments are one of many ways hospitals try to increase revenue.
- laratied 3y ago
  That is simply not true. What you are ascribing to personal gain is just protecting against personal loss. Ordering an extra test or an extra drug is mostly a doctor covering themselves from potential lawsuit.
  - siftrics 3y ago
    You're delusional if you think physicians maliciously over-prescribing in the US is not a problem. People are tremendously impacted, for good or ill, when prescribed pain medications, ADHD medications, anti-depressants, etc. Many of these people are harmed. Many of the doctors who caused them harm simply do not care.
    - hirvi74 3y ago
      No kidding. The slightest issue with a medication, and every doctor I have seen starts foaming at the mouth, "I can prescribe X to help with that." Then before you know it, you have to take a pill to take a pill. Then down the road, you have to take a pill to take a pill to take a pill. I'm no medical Calvinist either, but I am not sure that polypharmacy should be the end goal if it can be avoided.
- tristor 3y ago
  That's blatantly untrue. The primary criticism to Western medicine is that is has a high cost because doctors are afraid of being sued for malpractice and order lots of unnecessary and invasive tests to confirm any diagnosis before ordering a treatment. It's basically the exact opposite of what you say, which when taken to the extreme is also problematic.
  - siftrics 3y ago
    What about the opioid crisis? What about the Sacklers? Was all of that fiction?
HDThoreaun 3y ago
Overprescription is a gigantic problem in the US. Most of that can be attributed to being overly careful, but many doctors are legitimately just prescribing treatments that are known to be unhelpful in expectation for personal gain. Knee and hip surgeries are common examples. They regularly degrade quality of life in recipients. We should be doing less, but then the surgeons that perform them would make less money.
throw9away6 3y ago
So just your rental urgent care doc?

watwut 3y ago

Double checking a book when figuring out treatment is not cheating, it is normal. Cheating for a doctor would be going with the feeling without double checking. However, when learning for exam, it is cheating, because exams define minimum set of stuff that you should have in memory at that point.

11101010001100 3y ago

eventually, the cheaters won't know what to look up...

dylan604 3y ago

Rarely in real life will the situations not be open book exams. While coding, we have access to interactive/searchable docs, demos, tutorials, and of course SO and the likes. At work, we can chat with co-workers when we're stuck or have an idea but really feel like there's probably something better if more than one head was working on it.

leroy-is-here 3y ago

Verifying a measurement isn’t cheating. The word exists because it is memory externalized.

JohnFen 3y ago

Using reference works in the course of doing your job is not cheating.

randcraw 3y ago
Yes, if you're doing what the patient and the regulators want you to do, that ain't cheating.