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They want to sell hardware. I'm reminded of this every day when I can't use Apple Reminders and Calendar properly on non-Apple devices. I have an Apple phone bu

They want to sell hardware. I'm reminded of this every day when I can't use Apple Reminders and Calendar properly on non-Apple devices. I have an Apple phone but use a non-Apple computer. You used to be able to have a web interface to Reminders, but they changed it and now you can't add tasks in the web interface. No worries then, let's use Caldav. Hmmm, can't add a Caldav server to iCloud anymore. Ahh, we can add a Caldav account to iOS! Nope, it doesn't obey the sync schedule. You can set the schedule to anything but it just syncs when it wants to, maybe every couple of hours if you're lucky. I might be cynical but I wouldn't be surprised if it's a ploy to get more people into buying more of their devices.

ElFitz 3y ago
> I might be cynical but I wouldn't be surprised if it's a ploy to get more people into buying more of their devices. I’d bet on just not testing that use case because they don’t care enough about it. Thus not catching and never fixing any arising issue or regression.
- l8rlump 3y ago
  Maybe, but combined with the downplayed stripping of features from the iCloud web interface, I'm still skeptical.
scrollaway 3y ago
This shit is why I use Google products on my iphone: gmail, calendar (with reminders), contacts, etc. (Paid version at that: I pay for google workspace, even for personal use) I'm not locked in to the Apple ecosystem: I can use it on my Linux desktop, or switch to an Android phone at any time.
- lostlogin 3y ago
  Is that a solution, or an additional poison?
  - gat1 3y ago
    Yes.
  - scrollaway 3y ago
    Why would it be an additional poison? It's solving problems in my life. I have a calendar, it's synced across all my devices, I have no fear of lock-in, and I have full control over my data without fearing about my account getting locked (as I pay for Workspace). Same for email, same for contacts. What's the poison there?
    - lostlogin 3y ago
      You don’t have full control of your data. Google isn’t some Mecca of freedom, it’s an advertising company.
      - scrollaway 3y ago
        Google is a company providing me a service I pay for, with a contract I signed. Do you think my data would be safer if I used UnknownCalMailCompany Inc, a company with zero track record in terms of privacy, safety, or long-term viability?
        ricardobayes 3y ago
        What's wrong with a flip calendar or a moleskin diary? Color me old-school but why does every single thing, especially your most private things need to be online?
        scrollaway 3y ago
        Why do you care how I organise my life? I value being able to ctrl+f my thousands of meetings across several years.
        krger 3y ago
        I guess since your only two options are, for some reason, "Google" and "UnknownCalMailCompany Inc," Google seems to be the choice for you. Fortunately, many of the rest of us live in the real world where there are more than just those two options.
- matwood 3y ago
  So instead you're locked to Google. It's fine, many people are because of Gmail. Other people though would rather be locked to Apple.
  - scrollaway 3y ago
    I’m not even sort of locked to google.
the_other 3y ago
> You used to be able to have a web interface to Reminders, but they changed it and now you can't add tasks in the web interface. I just used iCloud.com. Seems to work fine for adding reminders. Are you talking about an API, or the iCloud web UI?
- l8rlump 3y ago
  iCloud web UI. Sorry, I just tried again and you can add tasks, but you can't set a due date or time, which I rely on heavily. You used to be able to do this until they went to the "new" Reminders. They gave us a prompt to upgrade to the new reminders, but you don't realize that you lose these features, and as far as I can tell, you can't go back after you "upgrade".
  - the_other 3y ago
    I just set a due date and time on a reminded with the web UI. Add the item, click "details", click "on a day", set a date and time. It's not easy, or a nice UI, but it's functional for this visual user. I didn't check the accessibility.
zirgs 3y ago
And this is why I don't want to buy any Apple device. It seems that it's all or nothing for them. If you have a mix of apple and non-apple devices then you'll have all sorts of compatibility problems.

ElFitz 3y ago

> I might be cynical but I wouldn't be surprised if it's a ploy to get more people into buying more of their devices. I’d bet on just not testing that use case because they don’t care enough about it. Thus not catching and never fixing any arising issue or regression.

l8rlump 3y ago
Maybe, but combined with the downplayed stripping of features from the iCloud web interface, I'm still skeptical.

scrollaway 3y ago

This shit is why I use Google products on my iphone: gmail, calendar (with reminders), contacts, etc. (Paid version at that: I pay for google workspace, even for personal use) I'm not locked in to the Apple ecosystem: I can use it on my Linux desktop, or switch to an Android phone at any time.

lostlogin 3y ago
Is that a solution, or an additional poison?
- gat1 3y ago
  Yes.
- scrollaway 3y ago
  Why would it be an additional poison? It's solving problems in my life. I have a calendar, it's synced across all my devices, I have no fear of lock-in, and I have full control over my data without fearing about my account getting locked (as I pay for Workspace). Same for email, same for contacts. What's the poison there?
  - lostlogin 3y ago
    You don’t have full control of your data. Google isn’t some Mecca of freedom, it’s an advertising company.
    - scrollaway 3y ago
      Google is a company providing me a service I pay for, with a contract I signed. Do you think my data would be safer if I used UnknownCalMailCompany Inc, a company with zero track record in terms of privacy, safety, or long-term viability?
      - ricardobayes 3y ago
        What's wrong with a flip calendar or a moleskin diary? Color me old-school but why does every single thing, especially your most private things need to be online?
        scrollaway 3y ago
        Why do you care how I organise my life? I value being able to ctrl+f my thousands of meetings across several years.
      - krger 3y ago
        I guess since your only two options are, for some reason, "Google" and "UnknownCalMailCompany Inc," Google seems to be the choice for you. Fortunately, many of the rest of us live in the real world where there are more than just those two options.
matwood 3y ago
So instead you're locked to Google. It's fine, many people are because of Gmail. Other people though would rather be locked to Apple.
- scrollaway 3y ago
  I’m not even sort of locked to google.

the_other 3y ago

> You used to be able to have a web interface to Reminders, but they changed it and now you can't add tasks in the web interface. I just used iCloud.com. Seems to work fine for adding reminders. Are you talking about an API, or the iCloud web UI?

l8rlump 3y ago
iCloud web UI. Sorry, I just tried again and you can add tasks, but you can't set a due date or time, which I rely on heavily. You used to be able to do this until they went to the "new" Reminders. They gave us a prompt to upgrade to the new reminders, but you don't realize that you lose these features, and as far as I can tell, you can't go back after you "upgrade".
- the_other 3y ago
  I just set a due date and time on a reminded with the web UI. Add the item, click "details", click "on a day", set a date and time. It's not easy, or a nice UI, but it's functional for this visual user. I didn't check the accessibility.

zirgs 3y ago

And this is why I don't want to buy any Apple device. It seems that it's all or nothing for them. If you have a mix of apple and non-apple devices then you'll have all sorts of compatibility problems.