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Avoiding red states to avoid being shot would be extremely dumb for many reasons. 1. Cities and neighborhoods in any state can be safe, even in the states with

Avoiding red states to avoid being shot would be extremely dumb for many reasons. 1. Cities and neighborhoods in any state can be safe, even in the states with the most shootings 2. If you have enough money to choose to live in another state, you're probably not going to be living in an extremely poor area that is the most likely to be beset with gun violence 3. Other commonplace things are much more likely to kill you than being shot (cars, for example).

benburleson 3y ago
Texas sure seems to be an outlier though.
- theironhammer 3y ago
  Don't mess with Texas. It's already a mess.
- buzzert 3y ago
  Utah as well. Arizona also has a much higher standard of living than California.
- TexanFeller 3y ago
  Native Texan living in the city. There has been only one time in my life I was near gun violence and it was 1/2 mile away. That didn't make me hate guns, it just made me consider concealed carrying again. Zero people I know have been near shootings or are worried about shootings, it's a nonissue in the real world and only seems scary because of news coverage.
CapstanRoller 3y ago
Mass shootings aren't correlated with poverty. Guns are expensive. Most mass shooters are disaffected folks in the "middle class" who have money to acquire weapons (or access to weapons via relatives) and time to spend immersing themselves in online right-wing cesspits. Actual poor people are too busy trying to grind and survive.
- dffdsa432 3y ago
  The most violent cities in America are all blue cities. https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-city-rankings/most-violent-cities-in-america https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-city-rankings/most-viol...
  - theironhammer 3y ago
    And most of that is done by drug dealers fighting over turf. The shootings are highly concentrated in certain geographic areas.
  - m0ped 3y ago
    Most cities are blue cities
  - mikeryan 3y ago
    Shit. Your own source disproves that if you use the most recent data https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-city-rankings/most-dangerous-cities-in-the-us https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-city-rankings/most-dang... Take off the minimum population requirement of 100k residents and the most dangerous metro areas are all small, rural conservative towns. https://www.statista.com/statistics/433603/us-metropolitan-areas-with-the-highest-violent-crime-rate/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/433603/us-metropolitan-a...
    - alephnerd 3y ago
      Most of those cities on the less than 100k list have Dems in government as well, but imo this isn't a Dem-GOP issue and more of a "urban" versus "rural" issue - specifically these are all cities that have been left behind due to an oversized population of minorities (eg. Anchorage+Fairbanks for Native Americans, Memphis+Pine Bluffs+Monroe+Alexandria+Little Rock for African Americans, ABQ+Lubbock for Latino Americans) and severely deindustrialized (eg. Memphis, ABQ, Lubbock, Little Rock, Danville) due to bipartisan support of globalization in the 1990s and the collapse of the energy sector in the 1990s-2000s
  - CapstanRoller 3y ago
theironhammer 3y ago
Perhaps you should have a look at this book. https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/william-kleinknecht/states-of-neglect/ https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/william-kleinknec... Some Red States are an absolute mess. Some of their stats resemble third world countries. Their education systems are shoddy. Their drinking water systems are dangerous to health. Taxes are shameful: low taxes for the wealthy but high sales taxes which hurt the poor the most. Just for starters.
- alephnerd 3y ago
  Not a fan of the GOP and I have actively worked with the DNC, but using HDI (which is the goto metric for comparing development across regions), most US states Red and Blue are roughly comparable to other western European peers. The states that do lag significantly (MS+WV) are comparable to Portugal/Poland/Greece on developmental metrics, but they only represent ~1% of the entire American population and are anomalies due to historical social economic factors (that said, this should not mean that we should give up on them - we should in fact double down and invest in upgrading social infrastructure in laggard states). That said, every single American state and territory fall strictly in the "Very Highly Developed" category from a development standpoint and calling them "3rd world" is only minimizing the actual suffering that exists in less developed countries as well as orientalizing actual poverty upliftment in former "3rd world regions" like China, India, Turkey, Mexico, ASEAN, the Warsaw Bloc, the Balkans, Southern Europe, South America, South Korea, Taiwan, etc. US State HDIs - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_Human_Development_Index https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_terr... European HDIs - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_in_Europe_by_Human_Development_Index https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_in_...
  - theironhammer 3y ago
    Fair enough. From the link, I see that the states with the lowest HDIs are Red States while the highest HDIs are mostly all Blue States.
    - 3y ago
seanmcdirmid 3y ago
Most of the gun deaths in red states are suicides. So maybe the states are just very depressing places to live in? Like Wyoming outside of Jackson Hole, is a tough place to l is so has the nation’s highest suicide rate.
- robotresearcher 3y ago
  Wyoming and Montana have the two highest gun ownership rates of US states, and the two highest suicide rates. It’s probably not a coincidence. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/suicide-mortality/suicide.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/suicide-mortality/...

benburleson 3y ago

Texas sure seems to be an outlier though.

theironhammer 3y ago
Don't mess with Texas. It's already a mess.
buzzert 3y ago
Utah as well. Arizona also has a much higher standard of living than California.
TexanFeller 3y ago
Native Texan living in the city. There has been only one time in my life I was near gun violence and it was 1/2 mile away. That didn't make me hate guns, it just made me consider concealed carrying again. Zero people I know have been near shootings or are worried about shootings, it's a nonissue in the real world and only seems scary because of news coverage.

CapstanRoller 3y ago

Mass shootings aren't correlated with poverty. Guns are expensive. Most mass shooters are disaffected folks in the "middle class" who have money to acquire weapons (or access to weapons via relatives) and time to spend immersing themselves in online right-wing cesspits. Actual poor people are too busy trying to grind and survive.

dffdsa432 3y ago
The most violent cities in America are all blue cities. https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-city-rankings/most-violent-cities-in-america https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-city-rankings/most-viol...
- theironhammer 3y ago
  And most of that is done by drug dealers fighting over turf. The shootings are highly concentrated in certain geographic areas.
- m0ped 3y ago
  Most cities are blue cities
- mikeryan 3y ago
  Shit. Your own source disproves that if you use the most recent data https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-city-rankings/most-dangerous-cities-in-the-us https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-city-rankings/most-dang... Take off the minimum population requirement of 100k residents and the most dangerous metro areas are all small, rural conservative towns. https://www.statista.com/statistics/433603/us-metropolitan-areas-with-the-highest-violent-crime-rate/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/433603/us-metropolitan-a...
  - alephnerd 3y ago
    Most of those cities on the less than 100k list have Dems in government as well, but imo this isn't a Dem-GOP issue and more of a "urban" versus "rural" issue - specifically these are all cities that have been left behind due to an oversized population of minorities (eg. Anchorage+Fairbanks for Native Americans, Memphis+Pine Bluffs+Monroe+Alexandria+Little Rock for African Americans, ABQ+Lubbock for Latino Americans) and severely deindustrialized (eg. Memphis, ABQ, Lubbock, Little Rock, Danville) due to bipartisan support of globalization in the 1990s and the collapse of the energy sector in the 1990s-2000s
- CapstanRoller 3y ago

theironhammer 3y ago

Perhaps you should have a look at this book. https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/william-kleinknecht/states-of-neglect/ https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/william-kleinknec... Some Red States are an absolute mess. Some of their stats resemble third world countries. Their education systems are shoddy. Their drinking water systems are dangerous to health. Taxes are shameful: low taxes for the wealthy but high sales taxes which hurt the poor the most. Just for starters.

alephnerd 3y ago
Not a fan of the GOP and I have actively worked with the DNC, but using HDI (which is the goto metric for comparing development across regions), most US states Red and Blue are roughly comparable to other western European peers. The states that do lag significantly (MS+WV) are comparable to Portugal/Poland/Greece on developmental metrics, but they only represent ~1% of the entire American population and are anomalies due to historical social economic factors (that said, this should not mean that we should give up on them - we should in fact double down and invest in upgrading social infrastructure in laggard states). That said, every single American state and territory fall strictly in the "Very Highly Developed" category from a development standpoint and calling them "3rd world" is only minimizing the actual suffering that exists in less developed countries as well as orientalizing actual poverty upliftment in former "3rd world regions" like China, India, Turkey, Mexico, ASEAN, the Warsaw Bloc, the Balkans, Southern Europe, South America, South Korea, Taiwan, etc. US State HDIs - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_Human_Development_Index https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_terr... European HDIs - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_in_Europe_by_Human_Development_Index https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_in_...
- theironhammer 3y ago
  Fair enough. From the link, I see that the states with the lowest HDIs are Red States while the highest HDIs are mostly all Blue States.
  - 3y ago

seanmcdirmid 3y ago

Most of the gun deaths in red states are suicides. So maybe the states are just very depressing places to live in? Like Wyoming outside of Jackson Hole, is a tough place to l is so has the nation’s highest suicide rate.

robotresearcher 3y ago
Wyoming and Montana have the two highest gun ownership rates of US states, and the two highest suicide rates. It’s probably not a coincidence. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/suicide-mortality/suicide.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/suicide-mortality/...