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The weirdest part to me is that the flavor in many fruit juices is artificial (or "natural", but that can also mean what most people would call "artificial", be

The weirdest part to me is that the flavor in many fruit juices is artificial (or "natural", but that can also mean what most people would call "artificial", because our labeling laws are designed to enable fraud). Pasteurization and such take so much of the flavor out, that they have to add it back in. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_juice#Not_from_concentrate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_juice#Not_from_concentr...

MBCook 3y ago
They’re also mostly apple and possibly pear juice because those are so cheap, with other flavors/colors added. Grape juice is absolutely not normally grape juice plus possibly sugar. That would be too expensive.
- floxy 3y ago
  >Grape juice is absolutely not normally grape juice plus possibly sugar. How sure are we on that? It has been a while, but I recall something like Welch's tasting like grape juice. https://www.welchs.com/juices/100-percent/concord-grape https://www.welchs.com/juices/100-percent/concord-grape
  - MBCook 3y ago
    Seems like theirs actually is. But that’s also likely why it costs more.
    - vikramkr 3y ago
      Apparently even walmart's great value grape juice that's half the price is apparently 100% grape juice. Given how much Welsch's seems to be pushing the grown in America angle while a location isn't mentioned at all for great value, I think it's a fair bet that they've found some source of super cheap grapes somewhere to let them get that 100% grape claim
      - genewitch 3y ago
        Welch's purple grape juice is concord grapes: "In the United States, 417,800 tons were produced in 2011.[3] The major growing areas are the Finger Lakes District of New York, Lake Erie, Lake Ontario, Southwestern Michigan, and the Yakima Valley in Washington.[4]" You can use it to make wine just fine, if you're in to that sort of thing. If i had to guess the white grape juice is whatever the green seedless variety in california was for decades from the late 70s on.
xcdzvyn 3y ago
Can you elaborate? I don't see your point. If I read "no artificial colours or flavours", I don't presume nothing has been added, because that would be really naive. So if the ethyl butyrate they re-introduce to the juice came from fruit, I see that as natural, and a pretty reasonable thing to do. Is that what you're contending?

MBCook 3y ago

They’re also mostly apple and possibly pear juice because those are so cheap, with other flavors/colors added. Grape juice is absolutely not normally grape juice plus possibly sugar. That would be too expensive.

floxy 3y ago
>Grape juice is absolutely not normally grape juice plus possibly sugar. How sure are we on that? It has been a while, but I recall something like Welch's tasting like grape juice. https://www.welchs.com/juices/100-percent/concord-grape https://www.welchs.com/juices/100-percent/concord-grape
- MBCook 3y ago
  Seems like theirs actually is. But that’s also likely why it costs more.
  - vikramkr 3y ago
    Apparently even walmart's great value grape juice that's half the price is apparently 100% grape juice. Given how much Welsch's seems to be pushing the grown in America angle while a location isn't mentioned at all for great value, I think it's a fair bet that they've found some source of super cheap grapes somewhere to let them get that 100% grape claim
    - genewitch 3y ago
      Welch's purple grape juice is concord grapes: "In the United States, 417,800 tons were produced in 2011.[3] The major growing areas are the Finger Lakes District of New York, Lake Erie, Lake Ontario, Southwestern Michigan, and the Yakima Valley in Washington.[4]" You can use it to make wine just fine, if you're in to that sort of thing. If i had to guess the white grape juice is whatever the green seedless variety in california was for decades from the late 70s on.

xcdzvyn 3y ago

Can you elaborate? I don't see your point. If I read "no artificial colours or flavours", I don't presume nothing has been added, because that would be really naive. So if the ethyl butyrate they re-introduce to the juice came from fruit, I see that as natural, and a pretty reasonable thing to do. Is that what you're contending?