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If you're that fat you're statistically unlikely to lose weight without medical intervention of some sort, even something as basic as talking to a fucking nutri

If you're that fat you're statistically unlikely to lose weight without medical intervention of some sort, even something as basic as talking to a fucking nutritionist about portion sizes.

Gordonjcp 3y ago
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- EatingWithForks 3y ago
  Statistically, if a person is so obese for so long they get T2D, they are not going to go into remission just from googling weight loss or following whatever they find on the internet (doubly so if they fall into some crank Liver King style nonsense). That's just the facts. It's been studied over and over again for many years at this point.
- tstrimple 3y ago
  I honestly don't understand responses like this. We're presented with systemic issues, and your "solution" is just "personal responsibility"? Something which has demonstrably failed and lead us to the situation we're in today? Do you often think that doing more of the same thing will lead to different results? Since we're in a technology forum. Let's say you're a product owner and your app is suffering from severe performance issues. Would a "solution" of telling the developers of the app "just write code more efficiently! Use Google if you have to!" be acceptable to you? Do you think it would produce the results you want?
  - rixthefox 3y ago
    I think a better analogy to use would be a very slow loading app. Say your app takes 5 minutes to load the first page and 1 minute to switch between pages after that. Instead of blaming the developers, blame the users for expecting too much of the app. Personal responsibility and all that. It's the users fault they are using the app during peak times. If they really needed access to X part of the app they should have done it before it got busy.
    - tstrimple 3y ago
      I used the app dev side because I think it's more illustrative. There are various teams with various competing priorities who have collectively developed a product which is horribly slow. No individual developer is at fault. Some are efficient with their code, and some are less so. But there is no architecture team or mature SDLC to handle cross cutting concerns or a foundational platform for everyone to build from. Everyone is free to do their own thing and write code the way they want use whatever standards they can find on Google. In that world, just telling the devs to write more efficient code is insufficient to correct the course. The systemic problems that have developed require systemic solutions. A blanket "just do better" has never been useful to anyone.
  - Gordonjcp 3y ago
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    - tstrimple 3y ago
      And your "solution" is completely meaningless because it's been proven to not work across societies. It's like saying the solution to world hunger is easy. Everyone should just feed themselves! Want world peace? Everyone should just be more peaceful! It's completely useless rhetoric with absolutely no value in the conversation. Are you actually incapable of looking at these things as systems with a large number of variables and broad societal impact?
      - Gordonjcp 3y ago
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- George83728 3y ago
  They use the internet and find people who tell them that it's not their fault. It's the fault of vegetables for being so expensive, even though vegetables are cheaper than junkfood. It's the fault of food deserts, even though they live in walking/driving range of half a dozen full-sized super markets. It's the fault of their genes, even all 8 of their great grandparents were fit. It's anybody/anything's fault, except their own. And so they stay fat, and join the ranks of those who perpetuate these fat-excusing myths (on full display throughout this discussion section.)
yibg 3y ago
I sympathize with how hard it is to lose weight, but at some point personal responsibility kicks in right?
- EatingWithForks 3y ago
  When you're that obese you're well beyond personal responsibility. Personal responsibility is enjoying a big thanksgiving dinner and then eating light for the next week or so, or eating some salads for a bit to have a hot girl summer. Obesity is increasingly looking more like a hormone disorder (the latest "miracle" weight loss drugs are all hormone-regulating) or an eating disorder of some sort and should be addressed as such.
- nradov 3y ago
  Personal responsibility is great, but we're all paying for patients with type-2 diabetes (and other lifestyle related chronic conditions). We pay in terms of higher taxes for Medicare/Medicaid, higher premiums for private commercial insurance, and higher charges from providers trying to cover losses from indigent patients who default on medical debt. People are unlikely to suddenly become more responsible so what is your solution?
- antifa 3y ago
  The optimal amount of helping hands and second chances are greater than zero.

If you're that fat you're statistically unlikely to lose weight without medical intervention of some sort, even something as basic as talking to a fucking nutritionist about portion sizes.

Gordonjcp 3y ago

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EatingWithForks 3y ago
Statistically, if a person is so obese for so long they get T2D, they are not going to go into remission just from googling weight loss or following whatever they find on the internet (doubly so if they fall into some crank Liver King style nonsense). That's just the facts. It's been studied over and over again for many years at this point.
tstrimple 3y ago
I honestly don't understand responses like this. We're presented with systemic issues, and your "solution" is just "personal responsibility"? Something which has demonstrably failed and lead us to the situation we're in today? Do you often think that doing more of the same thing will lead to different results? Since we're in a technology forum. Let's say you're a product owner and your app is suffering from severe performance issues. Would a "solution" of telling the developers of the app "just write code more efficiently! Use Google if you have to!" be acceptable to you? Do you think it would produce the results you want?
- rixthefox 3y ago
  I think a better analogy to use would be a very slow loading app. Say your app takes 5 minutes to load the first page and 1 minute to switch between pages after that. Instead of blaming the developers, blame the users for expecting too much of the app. Personal responsibility and all that. It's the users fault they are using the app during peak times. If they really needed access to X part of the app they should have done it before it got busy.
  - tstrimple 3y ago
    I used the app dev side because I think it's more illustrative. There are various teams with various competing priorities who have collectively developed a product which is horribly slow. No individual developer is at fault. Some are efficient with their code, and some are less so. But there is no architecture team or mature SDLC to handle cross cutting concerns or a foundational platform for everyone to build from. Everyone is free to do their own thing and write code the way they want use whatever standards they can find on Google. In that world, just telling the devs to write more efficient code is insufficient to correct the course. The systemic problems that have developed require systemic solutions. A blanket "just do better" has never been useful to anyone.
- Gordonjcp 3y ago
  [flagged]
  - tstrimple 3y ago
    And your "solution" is completely meaningless because it's been proven to not work across societies. It's like saying the solution to world hunger is easy. Everyone should just feed themselves! Want world peace? Everyone should just be more peaceful! It's completely useless rhetoric with absolutely no value in the conversation. Are you actually incapable of looking at these things as systems with a large number of variables and broad societal impact?
    - Gordonjcp 3y ago
      [flagged]
George83728 3y ago
They use the internet and find people who tell them that it's not their fault. It's the fault of vegetables for being so expensive, even though vegetables are cheaper than junkfood. It's the fault of food deserts, even though they live in walking/driving range of half a dozen full-sized super markets. It's the fault of their genes, even all 8 of their great grandparents were fit. It's anybody/anything's fault, except their own. And so they stay fat, and join the ranks of those who perpetuate these fat-excusing myths (on full display throughout this discussion section.)

yibg 3y ago

I sympathize with how hard it is to lose weight, but at some point personal responsibility kicks in right?

EatingWithForks 3y ago
When you're that obese you're well beyond personal responsibility. Personal responsibility is enjoying a big thanksgiving dinner and then eating light for the next week or so, or eating some salads for a bit to have a hot girl summer. Obesity is increasingly looking more like a hormone disorder (the latest "miracle" weight loss drugs are all hormone-regulating) or an eating disorder of some sort and should be addressed as such.
nradov 3y ago
Personal responsibility is great, but we're all paying for patients with type-2 diabetes (and other lifestyle related chronic conditions). We pay in terms of higher taxes for Medicare/Medicaid, higher premiums for private commercial insurance, and higher charges from providers trying to cover losses from indigent patients who default on medical debt. People are unlikely to suddenly become more responsible so what is your solution?
antifa 3y ago
The optimal amount of helping hands and second chances are greater than zero.