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Yes. The software will not receive updates forever. The Ipad will not receive updates forever. One day, this software will force the user to buy more Apple devi

by g105b 3y ago

Yes. The software will not receive updates forever. The Ipad will not receive updates forever. One day, this software will force the user to buy more Apple devices to continue using it.

eurekin 3y ago
Adobe subscriptions are nice examples of bad management, no long standing significant bug was fixed and they mostly seem to add toys around the fringes (cloud based neural filters for example)
- astrange 3y ago
  Adobe can't ever change any of their old filters for compatibility reasons (or because they believe they're "not really broken".) Approximately all the math in Photoshop is wrong because it's not done in linear colorspace, the image resizing algorithms were bad for 1980, etc, but they can't change them. Lightroom introduced a new better ML demosaic for raw photos, but they can't just replace the old one, instead it's a different "enhance photo" option.
anaganisk 3y ago
Don't u just end the subscription at that point? What am I missing.
- EnigmaCurry 3y ago
  Ownership.
  - pohl 3y ago
    Even without the subscription model, one never owns the software they buy. It's still just a license, at the end of the day.
    - EnigmaCurry 3y ago
      irrevocable licenses are pretty different than subscriptions.
      - dangus 3y ago
        They're not much different, they just run on a different time scale. Even if your same application continues to work forever, one of the following will happen: - Complementary software evolves. E.g.: My old photo editor doesn't support new image compression formats - Alternatives become more attractive. E.g.: I paid for a copy of Sublime Text but now I prefer VSCode because of its additional functionality, my old copy of Photoshop CS2 works fine but the new one will save me time during XYZ workflow compared to the old version. - The utility of the application is exhausted. E.g.: I already played this single player game 10 times and it's not fun anymore, my copy of Final Cut Pro 6 can't produce 4K HDR movies that my customers demand.
        jonhohle 3y ago
        I have versions of Paint Shop Pro from the 90s that can open JPEG, GIF, PNG, TIFF, etc. files. I have used versions of After Effects of similar vintage. Premier and AE were doing 4K back then because that’s what Hollywood needed for their productions. Illustrator and Photoshop are mostly functional. Likewise, my Nikon camera from 2011 doesn’t stop working just because it’s old. The tools in my garage are no less effective because home additive manufacturing exists.
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    - layer8 3y ago
      Depends on the country.
- dkdbejwi383 3y ago
  Well, I can still use my old polycarbonate MacBook from 2008 with the old version of Aperture I bought indefinitely, at least until the hardware breaks and is no longer repairable. If Apple decides to stop supporting the subscription based Logic Pro, I'd no longer be able to continue using it.
  - hammyhavoc 3y ago
    It's probably a bold assumption that you wouldn't be able to continue using it, Apple likely realizes that this would screw people who bought the device specifically for that purpose; should just be as simple as changing a sub expiry date to a thousand years from now if the shit does hit the fan. Furthermore, if it shares the same codebase as the macOS version, why would it cease development now that they share a common architecture? If anything, that would likely mean Apple had gone tits-up.
    - mejutoco 3y ago
      It is the simplest assumption, based on similar promises from software vendors, like life-subscription prices.
      - hammyhavoc 3y ago
        I don't think Apple is comparable to any other corp, they're in a unique position of making the only hardware that officially runs the software they make and they also make industry leading software. I'm not even an Apple user. I'm just calling it as I see it.
        mejutoco 3y ago
        All corporations have things in common, at the very least legally, and more. Nvidia, for example, meets the requirements too. Why you would trust a company not to increase prices because they make their own hardware I am not sure. I remember a bus company undercut by a new train service. The train was very affordable until the private bus service disappeared. Then, the price gouging started. If we can compare that service with a SaaS I don‘t see why apple would be any different.
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by g105b 3y ago

Yes. The software will not receive updates forever. The Ipad will not receive updates forever. One day, this software will force the user to buy more Apple devices to continue using it.

eurekin 3y ago

Adobe subscriptions are nice examples of bad management, no long standing significant bug was fixed and they mostly seem to add toys around the fringes (cloud based neural filters for example)

astrange 3y ago
Adobe can't ever change any of their old filters for compatibility reasons (or because they believe they're "not really broken".) Approximately all the math in Photoshop is wrong because it's not done in linear colorspace, the image resizing algorithms were bad for 1980, etc, but they can't change them. Lightroom introduced a new better ML demosaic for raw photos, but they can't just replace the old one, instead it's a different "enhance photo" option.

anaganisk 3y ago

Don't u just end the subscription at that point? What am I missing.

EnigmaCurry 3y ago
Ownership.
- pohl 3y ago
  Even without the subscription model, one never owns the software they buy. It's still just a license, at the end of the day.
  - EnigmaCurry 3y ago
    irrevocable licenses are pretty different than subscriptions.
    - dangus 3y ago
      They're not much different, they just run on a different time scale. Even if your same application continues to work forever, one of the following will happen: - Complementary software evolves. E.g.: My old photo editor doesn't support new image compression formats - Alternatives become more attractive. E.g.: I paid for a copy of Sublime Text but now I prefer VSCode because of its additional functionality, my old copy of Photoshop CS2 works fine but the new one will save me time during XYZ workflow compared to the old version. - The utility of the application is exhausted. E.g.: I already played this single player game 10 times and it's not fun anymore, my copy of Final Cut Pro 6 can't produce 4K HDR movies that my customers demand.
      - jonhohle 3y ago
        I have versions of Paint Shop Pro from the 90s that can open JPEG, GIF, PNG, TIFF, etc. files. I have used versions of After Effects of similar vintage. Premier and AE were doing 4K back then because that’s what Hollywood needed for their productions. Illustrator and Photoshop are mostly functional. Likewise, my Nikon camera from 2011 doesn’t stop working just because it’s old. The tools in my garage are no less effective because home additive manufacturing exists.
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  - layer8 3y ago
    Depends on the country.
dkdbejwi383 3y ago
Well, I can still use my old polycarbonate MacBook from 2008 with the old version of Aperture I bought indefinitely, at least until the hardware breaks and is no longer repairable. If Apple decides to stop supporting the subscription based Logic Pro, I'd no longer be able to continue using it.
- hammyhavoc 3y ago
  It's probably a bold assumption that you wouldn't be able to continue using it, Apple likely realizes that this would screw people who bought the device specifically for that purpose; should just be as simple as changing a sub expiry date to a thousand years from now if the shit does hit the fan. Furthermore, if it shares the same codebase as the macOS version, why would it cease development now that they share a common architecture? If anything, that would likely mean Apple had gone tits-up.
  - mejutoco 3y ago
    It is the simplest assumption, based on similar promises from software vendors, like life-subscription prices.
    - hammyhavoc 3y ago
      I don't think Apple is comparable to any other corp, they're in a unique position of making the only hardware that officially runs the software they make and they also make industry leading software. I'm not even an Apple user. I'm just calling it as I see it.
      - mejutoco 3y ago
        All corporations have things in common, at the very least legally, and more. Nvidia, for example, meets the requirements too. Why you would trust a company not to increase prices because they make their own hardware I am not sure. I remember a bus company undercut by a new train service. The train was very affordable until the private bus service disappeared. Then, the price gouging started. If we can compare that service with a SaaS I don‘t see why apple would be any different.

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