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Sure.. who's gonna pay for updates? I don't understand how people on HN can devalue their own profession. By your reasoning, once an application has been relea

Sure.. who's gonna pay for updates? I don't understand how people on HN can devalue their own profession. By your reasoning, once an application has been released, you're out of a job. Oh hey.. isn't that the current market!

pjmlp 3y ago
I also don't get it, everyone likes to get paid while refusing to pay for the work of others.
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Karunamon 3y ago
Let's ask the few decades of software developers/publishing houses who managed to make respectable incomes without requiring this subscription rent seeking nonsense. This is Apple we are talking about, this is greed-based.
2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
Not all software requires babying and constant updates. These already work for most people and most use cases.
- ezfe 3y ago
  Well in this case it's not the same software, it's a touch-optimized iPad version so the original comment demanding a discount for having purchased the Mac version is...well, yeah
archagon 3y ago
As a developer, I get it. As a user, fuck subscriptions. Subscriptions just cause me to move all my tooling to open source variants over time. Developer livelihood is not my concern. Maybe OSS with a Pateron-style model is the way forward?
jrajav 3y ago
Maybe just release and sell a complete and polished product? And add significant value to that product again before asking for more money? What about the notion of having enough pride and confidence in your work that you can make a solid value proposition regularly, and not yoke your customers to you permanently with a nebulous agreement? Also, practically, consumers in the audio software market are more savvy and have higher expectations than those in other markets. In particular, they expect a fair ownership model (something provided by many plugin and DAW shops, big or small), and are wary of subscriptions and things like them. Perpetual licenses are the norm - in fact, even things uncommon in other software markets like the ability to resell your licenses are often provided due to market pressure.
bdougherty 3y ago
Some people do not need the updates, some will pay a fair value for the updates. Nobody is asking for non-subscription software to be priced the same as the subscription. Bottom line is that the App Store not having upgrade pricing has forced everything to become a subscription.

pjmlp 3y ago

I also don't get it, everyone likes to get paid while refusing to pay for the work of others.

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Karunamon 3y ago

Let's ask the few decades of software developers/publishing houses who managed to make respectable incomes without requiring this subscription rent seeking nonsense. This is Apple we are talking about, this is greed-based.

2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago

Not all software requires babying and constant updates. These already work for most people and most use cases.

ezfe 3y ago
Well in this case it's not the same software, it's a touch-optimized iPad version so the original comment demanding a discount for having purchased the Mac version is...well, yeah

archagon 3y ago

As a developer, I get it. As a user, fuck subscriptions. Subscriptions just cause me to move all my tooling to open source variants over time. Developer livelihood is not my concern. Maybe OSS with a Pateron-style model is the way forward?

jrajav 3y ago

Maybe just release and sell a complete and polished product? And add significant value to that product again before asking for more money? What about the notion of having enough pride and confidence in your work that you can make a solid value proposition regularly, and not yoke your customers to you permanently with a nebulous agreement? Also, practically, consumers in the audio software market are more savvy and have higher expectations than those in other markets. In particular, they expect a fair ownership model (something provided by many plugin and DAW shops, big or small), and are wary of subscriptions and things like them. Perpetual licenses are the norm - in fact, even things uncommon in other software markets like the ability to resell your licenses are often provided due to market pressure.

bdougherty 3y ago

Some people do not need the updates, some will pay a fair value for the updates. Nobody is asking for non-subscription software to be priced the same as the subscription. Bottom line is that the App Store not having upgrade pricing has forced everything to become a subscription.