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Fine for some, but for others there are still show-stoppers. I have a laptop with an Nvidia card and my latest attempt to use Wayland, on Fedora 38, didn't last

Fine for some, but for others there are still show-stoppers. I have a laptop with an Nvidia card and my latest attempt to use Wayland, on Fedora 38, didn't last very long at all before being forced to retreat to xorg by the issues.

yoyohello13 3y ago
Unfortunately, there is not much Wayland devs can do about Nvidia drivers. But RHEL didn't even set a date for removing Xorg support so it will probably stick around for a long while.
- ranger_danger 3y ago
  An employee in the comments earlier said the next release (RHEL10) will remove it, but that won't be for another 10 years.
  - indolering 3y ago
    RHEL 9 will be supported for ~10 years, but RHEL is scheduled to come out in ~3 years. Fedora will probably still support it and I would bet some of the RHEL rebuilds will too.
  - aforwardslash 3y ago
    Given the status of "certified drivers" in Wayland due to their closed-source nature, either RedHat is giving up their graphic workstation business, or removing xorg won't happen any release soon.
    - bootsmann 3y ago
      Or they are trying to force the hand of nvidia and see who budges first.
      - aforwardslash 3y ago
        Fair point :)
soniczentropy 3y ago
This has been my every experience with Wayland + Nvidia thus far. Tried Tumbleweed and Fedora both, nothing but display bugs as far as the eye can see. Lets not even talk about trying to use Wayland in a VM desktop -- Even Firefox/Chrome don't render properly.
- kaba0 3y ago
  Does your card have proper DRM support (the linux subsystem for managing video buffers)? That’s what wayland builds upon (instead of patching the xorg binary with some proprietary extension).
  - indolering 3y ago
    WTF? I thought NVIDIA had adopted an open-source core? Is this seriously something outsiders can't fix?
    - kaba0 3y ago
      They have since started supporting the linux kernel and implemented its APIs more or less. I don’t own any nvidia card, so can’t really speak from first-hand experience though.
rickstanley 3y ago
Yeah, hybrid laptops with Nvidia is still a no no. Currently I have setup: Arch (EndeavourOS) + KDE Plasma + Xorg, works with minor issues, with a Rog Zephyrus G15, with minor issues; it was/is enough to replace Windows entirely. I'll try Wayland again this next semester, see if anything has changed.

yoyohello13 3y ago

Unfortunately, there is not much Wayland devs can do about Nvidia drivers. But RHEL didn't even set a date for removing Xorg support so it will probably stick around for a long while.

ranger_danger 3y ago
An employee in the comments earlier said the next release (RHEL10) will remove it, but that won't be for another 10 years.
- indolering 3y ago
  RHEL 9 will be supported for ~10 years, but RHEL is scheduled to come out in ~3 years. Fedora will probably still support it and I would bet some of the RHEL rebuilds will too.
- aforwardslash 3y ago
  Given the status of "certified drivers" in Wayland due to their closed-source nature, either RedHat is giving up their graphic workstation business, or removing xorg won't happen any release soon.
  - bootsmann 3y ago
    Or they are trying to force the hand of nvidia and see who budges first.
    - aforwardslash 3y ago
      Fair point :)

soniczentropy 3y ago

This has been my every experience with Wayland + Nvidia thus far. Tried Tumbleweed and Fedora both, nothing but display bugs as far as the eye can see. Lets not even talk about trying to use Wayland in a VM desktop -- Even Firefox/Chrome don't render properly.

kaba0 3y ago
Does your card have proper DRM support (the linux subsystem for managing video buffers)? That’s what wayland builds upon (instead of patching the xorg binary with some proprietary extension).
- indolering 3y ago
  WTF? I thought NVIDIA had adopted an open-source core? Is this seriously something outsiders can't fix?
  - kaba0 3y ago
    They have since started supporting the linux kernel and implemented its APIs more or less. I don’t own any nvidia card, so can’t really speak from first-hand experience though.

rickstanley 3y ago

Yeah, hybrid laptops with Nvidia is still a no no. Currently I have setup: Arch (EndeavourOS) + KDE Plasma + Xorg, works with minor issues, with a Rog Zephyrus G15, with minor issues; it was/is enough to replace Windows entirely. I'll try Wayland again this next semester, see if anything has changed.