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Datadog prices are out of this world. I assumed their front facing prices were for the lone dev, so when I reached out as a company looking to integrate multip
by legohead 3y ago
Datadog prices are out of this world. I assumed their front facing prices were for the lone dev, so when I reached out as a company looking to integrate multiple of their products I expected a deal, and got very little compromise. I told them up front they were going to have to cut prices by 90% for us to consider them -- no budge. And they are pretty belligerent salesman, not wanting to leave me alone. After a while I just blocked their domain to my email.
- bunnyfoofoo 3y agoTheir sales team is a nightmare, I had to block them on personal and company email.
- bena 3y ago[flagged]
- nicenewtemp84 3y agoIve worked in sales for over 10 years. Incel is a weird insult for salespeople, as I've never met a group of people that sleeps around more than salespeople. I spent years selling cars even, and if you bring a gf or wife you're having trouble with to go car shopping... Odds of her later sleeping with the car salesman are not zero to put it mildly.
- torbTurret 3y agoNowadays, incel is synonymous with the Andrew Tate “top g”/alpha sex obsession. Backwards? Definitely, but more symbolic of the arrested development/lack of maturity than the lack of sex. Sleeping with others’ significant others, or actively trying to/bragging about it is a perfect example. Low-class behavior that will get you props from low-class folks.
- TOMDM 3y agoI've certainly heard that fans of Andrew Tate are incels, or that their world view and advice is built for incels, but I've not heard of many people calling Andrew Tate himself an incel. An incel maker though for sure.
- nicenewtemp84 3y agoI'm far from an incel (thank you height and sales skills), but I've been around the 'manosphere' online even since early "Ladder Theory" and before pickup artists learned how to internet market. Reality is some guys are not genetically blessed PLUS they have been lied to when it comes to what women really want. If you take an average real incel, and give him advice from his mother+sister+female friends, and advice from Andrew Tate, I promise you he will get further with Andrew Tates advice. His mom's advice MIGHT get him a girlfriend that uses him for money, and divorced later in life.. andrew Tate will atleast tell him to get actually attractive through working out and performance at work/business.
- nicenewtemp84 3y agoNo one, or atleast very few, were sleeping with someone's significant other. Who wants to do that and then be a sitting duck at work where the angry bf/husband can walk in and see you any moment. When the women are ready to leave the bfs, that's when they contact the salesperson. I've seen it happen atleast 10 times, 2 to me personally. Even dated that nightmare for 2 years once. But go ahead and label everything you misconstrued as low class.
- torbTurret 3y agoNever mind what was misconstrued or not. The behavior I mentioned is low class. If you feel it applies to you/your experience, whatever, but it’s not a personal jab.
- nicenewtemp84 3y agoThis is a weird way to explain away a mistake. "Ya I totally strawmaned what you said, but look, my point is valid!"
- fear_and_coffee 3y ago[dead]
- tcas 3y agoJust wait until they find your personal cell phone number and try to force you into scheduling a "time that works" on the calendar.
- oh_sigh 3y agoJust keep scheduling a time that works, and then don't show up.
- mtlmtlmtlmtl 3y agoMan I bet you could write a really dumb script that automates it too.
- airstrike 3y agoMake sure you include a logger in that script to catch any anomalies
- a4isms 3y agoBack in the days when this kind of thing happened on the telephone, the SERIOUSLY passive aggressive trick was to talk to them, and then hang up on yourself. Repeatedly. "Hi this is Arnie from CHewemup'n'Spitemout Staffing, is this Bob?" "Hey Arnie, what perfect timing! I just started looking for a new opportunity, and I'm really excited to— CLICK." Ring ring. "This is Arnie, we seem to have been cut off." "Oh Arnie, right, thought you hung up on me." "No, not me, must be a bad connection. You were saying?" "Yes, I was saying this is a great time to talk about opportunities. I just finished a major Java Enterprise JavaBeans project, and I'm— CLICK." Lather, rinse, repeat, as the meme used to go before we called them memes.
- keeganpoppen 3y agooh man, that's great-- you could probably get through a LOTT more CLICKs before they get the point. what a great use of human psychology-- they assume you have good intentions because you called them... it's a bit devious, but i'm gonna have to add that one to the toolbox hahaha.
- ogn3rd 3y agoI briefly worked there. They literally have no idea what they're doing, like not even a little bit.
- ativzzz 3y agoI think the vast majority of us don't either
- winrid 3y agoMy understanding their stack is Python. So they probably have high costs as well :)
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- dijit 3y agoSentry is python and has extremely reasonable costs (and you can even self-host it). Honestly if you want to complain at the cost of hosting (which, we don't know if they would) then licensing the software and allowing people to self-host would be the solution. $65M is enough that I could fund a team running google's monarch system for 7-8 years.
- hartator 3y agoI thought Sentry was Ruby?
- DizzyDoo 3y agoYou can take a look at the Python codebase for Sentry over here: https://github.com/getsentry/sentry https://github.com/getsentry/sentry
- mwarkentin 3y agoThere's rust stuff too: https://github.com/getsentry/relay https://github.com/getsentry/relay
- winrid 3y agoOh neat, it's a big Django project!
- Sohcahtoa82 3y agoOriginally, yes, but it's been rewritten in Go.
- c2h5oh 3y agoDatadog startup journey from my perspective: 1. use Datadog, because it gets you a bunch of stuff without having to really set it up, like anomaly detection, which is poor man's monitoring & alerting 2. once you start getting product-market fit and the number of instances you run grows you notice your monthly bill going crazier and crazier and you now have something that starts to resemble an ops team -> migrate to a different product, set up proper monitoring I've seen that at 3 companies I worked at.
- brianwawok 3y agoRight, the monitoring cost with datadog of my little business would be 7 figures (and revenue is only 7 figures!!) I mean, I guess they want to exclude people like me.. but then why market to me?
- ericmay 3y agoI'm not familiar with pricing but depending on alternatives maybe this isn't so bad? > and you now have something that starts to resemble an ops team Like what if Datadog just replaces your ops team completely? What if we start to see AI tools that do cost a lot of money but they can replace a team? Just curious.
- dijit 3y agoDatadog does one part of an ops team, even if it could do all functions of an ops team I would make convincing arguments about your sovereignty of fixing your issues and being resistant to price gouging
- secondcoming 3y agoWe're going through this now. What other products are out there, preferably easy for a moron to set up?
- slondr 3y agoCheck out Grafana.
- paulddraper 3y agoDatadog costs more to monitor your AWS t3.medium instance than the actual instance. I asked them how them can justify that. They recommended I use "modern infrastructure" which means Docker.
- Hamuko 3y agoWas Datadog pricing per-host? If so, then I guess running a Kubernetes cluster using the biggest available instances is the most "modern" solution to Datadog-using infrastructure.
- willejs 3y agoIt is mainly per host $15 or $23 PCM with the first 5-10 containers free then $0.002 per hour (~$1.5 PCM) per container. The insight and stats you get are quite granular and valuable however. For large scale deployments you can ignore certain containers etc.
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- c2h5oh 3y agoPer host and/or per container
- paulddraper 3y agoBasically, yes.
- benatkin 3y agoSounds like New Relic 2.0
- ashwaganda 3y agonot even close. NR doesn't bill overages, doesn't do per-host. we switched and saved tens of thousands monthly
- Sohcahtoa82 3y ago> Datadog prices are out of this world. I was never sure of what exactly Datadog did, so I looked at their pricing. At first, I thought "$23/month/host isn't THAT bad...", then notice that was only for one product. If you used their full suite, those costs could REALLY add up.
- ogn3rd 3y agoEspecially when you're realize that the billing features have been turned up to 11 on turn-key rollout. Sampling set at 100%, gosh that's expensive right out of the box, but no accident.
- Rapzid 3y agoThis is the company that released synthetic API checks at like 100X the price of Pingdom checks. Ended up using their free Pingdom integration to pull in the check data..
- marklubi 3y agoThe best way to deal with them is to never engage with their sales team. Use what you need, don’t let them talk you into more. Every year, I get a barrage of phone calls and emails from them, and I actively choose to not engage. Pricing has remained pretty much flat aside from the expected growth. They work hard to get you to overcommit and overpay. Also, you don’t need all your logs indexed. Saved a company I’m under contract with a massive amount of money (10s of thousands/month) by pointing out that you should just index (sample) a percentage of them to identify if there is a trend, and you can rehydrate later.