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Tenet declared WMD in Iraq was a slam dunk. I don't know what evidence he presented but my military source in Iraq told me the chemical weapons they found and d

Tenet declared WMD in Iraq was a slam dunk. I don't know what evidence he presented but my military source in Iraq told me the chemical weapons they found and disposed of had US nomenclature which would make sense since we were helping Iraq deal with Iran in the 80's: "According to Iraqi documents, assistance in the development of chemical weapons was obtained from firms in many countries, including the United States, West Germany, the Netherlands, the United Kingdom, and France. A report stated that Dutch, Australian, Italian, French and both West and East German companies were involved in the export of raw materials to Iraqi chemical weapons factories.." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_chemical_attacks_against_Iran https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_chemical_attacks_against... End of the day the CIA operates way outside the lines on the field. Like not even inside the stadium. Tenet and his counterpart however did end up resigning for a series of screw ups which is about as far as it goes on that level.

dylan604 3y ago
The easiest way to ensure your target of investigation has the items you want to say they have is to sell it to them first.
- tvaughan 3y ago
  A smart thing to do before you invade a country is to make sure it doesn't have a meaningful way to retaliate
  - dylan604 3y ago
    you could also just not invade someone else's country. it's a pretty easy thing to do
pastacacioepepe 3y ago
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- orwin 3y ago
  I mean, at least Ukrainian nazis are not leaders of the country? Nor leaders of the strongest merc company in the word? And quite the minority in the country considering how high their Jewish president poll right now.
  - pastacacioepepe 3y ago
    They don't need to be the current leaders when they can just threaten any elected government into submission, and they have all the power to do it. Trained forces, modern weaponry, popular support. > And quite the minority in the country considering how high their Jewish president poll right now. They are not your classic Nazists. Groups like the Right Sector are best described as a "generic form of Ukrainian ultranationalism", which allowed the inclusion of ethnic minorities, including Muslim Crimean Tatars and Chechens, and ethnic Jews, Poles, Hungarians, Greeks, and Romani[0]. I call them Nazis as a simplification, as they adopt the same symbology, most of their values and modus operandi. Also consider how everyone proudly adopted "Slava Ukraini" even if it's the official slogan of Stepan Bandera's wing of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists. Imagine milions of Italians saluting with "Duce mia luce", or Germans resurrecting "Sieg Heil". .0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Sector https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Sector
    - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
      > they have all the power to do it. Trained forces, modern weaponry, popular support You're ignoring the entire rest of the Ukrainian military and state we've upgraded in the process.
    - orwin 3y ago
      The mythos of nazi/fascism is quite easy to simplify : We (religion/ethnic group/nationality) are intrasequely better than (the out-group: French/lybians/Serbs/Anglo-Saxon/muslims/whatever) and the reason why they (are living better/are richer/are more powerful) is because we have traitors in our midst (jews/socialists/communists/anarchists/tzigan/liberals/whatever) who work against us. If you do not have the second part, you will have a more standard cesarism (that can be left-wing too, like leninism or early trotskism). A recent example in my country would be Gaullism, in a way. Are they nazi, or 'just' cesarists (with even more nationalism on top) ? Do you know who their internal enemy is? It should be designated and different from their actual foreign enemy. Example : in France, the far-right foreign enemies are muslims, but the traitors/internal ennemies are left-wingers/academia. If they do not design 'traitors', I wouldn't classify them far-right (because they wouldn't be).
samstave 3y ago
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BlueTemplar 3y ago
There's also that funny historical anecdote that Saddam Hussein was literally a CIA assassin for a while... though later him easily taking power because he happened to try a coup just after a CIA-backed one seems to have been just a coincidence ?

dylan604 3y ago

The easiest way to ensure your target of investigation has the items you want to say they have is to sell it to them first.

tvaughan 3y ago
A smart thing to do before you invade a country is to make sure it doesn't have a meaningful way to retaliate
- dylan604 3y ago
  you could also just not invade someone else's country. it's a pretty easy thing to do

pastacacioepepe 3y ago

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orwin 3y ago
I mean, at least Ukrainian nazis are not leaders of the country? Nor leaders of the strongest merc company in the word? And quite the minority in the country considering how high their Jewish president poll right now.
- pastacacioepepe 3y ago
  They don't need to be the current leaders when they can just threaten any elected government into submission, and they have all the power to do it. Trained forces, modern weaponry, popular support. > And quite the minority in the country considering how high their Jewish president poll right now. They are not your classic Nazists. Groups like the Right Sector are best described as a "generic form of Ukrainian ultranationalism", which allowed the inclusion of ethnic minorities, including Muslim Crimean Tatars and Chechens, and ethnic Jews, Poles, Hungarians, Greeks, and Romani[0]. I call them Nazis as a simplification, as they adopt the same symbology, most of their values and modus operandi. Also consider how everyone proudly adopted "Slava Ukraini" even if it's the official slogan of Stepan Bandera's wing of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists. Imagine milions of Italians saluting with "Duce mia luce", or Germans resurrecting "Sieg Heil". .0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Sector https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Sector
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > they have all the power to do it. Trained forces, modern weaponry, popular support You're ignoring the entire rest of the Ukrainian military and state we've upgraded in the process.
  - orwin 3y ago
    The mythos of nazi/fascism is quite easy to simplify : We (religion/ethnic group/nationality) are intrasequely better than (the out-group: French/lybians/Serbs/Anglo-Saxon/muslims/whatever) and the reason why they (are living better/are richer/are more powerful) is because we have traitors in our midst (jews/socialists/communists/anarchists/tzigan/liberals/whatever) who work against us. If you do not have the second part, you will have a more standard cesarism (that can be left-wing too, like leninism or early trotskism). A recent example in my country would be Gaullism, in a way. Are they nazi, or 'just' cesarists (with even more nationalism on top) ? Do you know who their internal enemy is? It should be designated and different from their actual foreign enemy. Example : in France, the far-right foreign enemies are muslims, but the traitors/internal ennemies are left-wingers/academia. If they do not design 'traitors', I wouldn't classify them far-right (because they wouldn't be).

samstave 3y ago

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BlueTemplar 3y ago

There's also that funny historical anecdote that Saddam Hussein was literally a CIA assassin for a while... though later him easily taking power because he happened to try a coup just after a CIA-backed one seems to have been just a coincidence ?