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This is incorrect. Have you considered that the delay between getting the device and getting it connected could be well outside of the return window or people c

This is incorrect. Have you considered that the delay between getting the device and getting it connected could be well outside of the return window or people could be purchasing them in countries without such consumer rights? Smartphones aren’t only for the developed world.

Dylan16807 4y ago
Who buys a brand new phone but also has no internet connection for weeks? Do they have all the apps they need pre-downloaded? I don't think that's a big group.
- KennyBlanken 4y ago
  It's quite common for people from elsewhere in the world to buy electronics in the US, Europe, Japan, etc and then bring them back to their home countries for a fraction of the cost of what the official or unofficial importer(s) want. That's why you end up with all sorts of region-locking nonsense, companies trying to protect their importers who have a monopoly on distribution of a particular device.
  - Dylan16807 4y ago
    You can unlock it before you go home.
- rdbell 4y ago
  It usually takes about a month between the time I order something from the US and the time I have it in-hand. Last holiday season was about 2 months. Never tried a return because I'd have to pay through the nose on shipping.
  - Dylan16807 4y ago
    They specifically said a delay between getting the device and connecting it. That's very unfortunate if you'd have to pay a return for a promised feature not working.
- thomastjeffery 4y ago
  Who said it has to be brand new to the end user? It might sit in a box for years getting sold back and forth as a commodity before anyone opens that box.
- kortilla 4y ago
  Have you ever hear of the concept of a “gift” or the even more exotic “person in a foreign country”? It’s shocking that the connectivity addiction is so strong that you’re even asking this question.
  - Dylan16807 4y ago
    > Have you ever hear of the concept of a “gift” If it's a normal gift, then the recipient won't have any roms or bootloaders they need to install. To get those they will need internet, at which point they can unlock the phone. > or the even more exotic “person in a foreign country” What's the problem? Are they buying a phone they won't get a plan for, and can't find anywhere with wifi, and they have no home internet? But they still want to unlock the boot loader because... why? If that ultra-niche scenario is not what you have in mind, then please explain.

Dylan16807 4y ago

Who buys a brand new phone but also has no internet connection for weeks? Do they have all the apps they need pre-downloaded? I don't think that's a big group.

KennyBlanken 4y ago
It's quite common for people from elsewhere in the world to buy electronics in the US, Europe, Japan, etc and then bring them back to their home countries for a fraction of the cost of what the official or unofficial importer(s) want. That's why you end up with all sorts of region-locking nonsense, companies trying to protect their importers who have a monopoly on distribution of a particular device.
- Dylan16807 4y ago
  You can unlock it before you go home.
rdbell 4y ago
It usually takes about a month between the time I order something from the US and the time I have it in-hand. Last holiday season was about 2 months. Never tried a return because I'd have to pay through the nose on shipping.
- Dylan16807 4y ago
  They specifically said a delay between getting the device and connecting it. That's very unfortunate if you'd have to pay a return for a promised feature not working.
thomastjeffery 4y ago
Who said it has to be brand new to the end user? It might sit in a box for years getting sold back and forth as a commodity before anyone opens that box.
kortilla 4y ago
Have you ever hear of the concept of a “gift” or the even more exotic “person in a foreign country”? It’s shocking that the connectivity addiction is so strong that you’re even asking this question.
- Dylan16807 4y ago
  > Have you ever hear of the concept of a “gift” If it's a normal gift, then the recipient won't have any roms or bootloaders they need to install. To get those they will need internet, at which point they can unlock the phone. > or the even more exotic “person in a foreign country” What's the problem? Are they buying a phone they won't get a plan for, and can't find anywhere with wifi, and they have no home internet? But they still want to unlock the boot loader because... why? If that ultra-niche scenario is not what you have in mind, then please explain.