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This does not make any sense. GrapheneOS supports all pixel phones. In fact, they support pixel phones only. I am thinking of buying pixel just for this.

Georgelemental 3y ago
Bootloader unlocking is disabled until you connect to the internet.
- theK 3y ago
  Just out of curiosity, is it "just" the Internet or "connect to the internet, log in to a foogle account"?
  - rfoo 3y ago
    Just the Internet. You have to click Skip when the phone prompts you to log in to a Google account though, as it does this by default.
Fire-Dragon-DoL 3y ago
What's special about GraphenrOS? It's the first time I'm hearing about it
- quaintdev 3y ago
  Make phone Google free. More features here https://grapheneos.org/features https://grapheneos.org/features
  - lostgame 3y ago
    So I’m guessing with this you’d use an alternative store like F-Droid instead of the Play Store? (Pardon my ignorance, I’m an iOS dev and have been for a decade; I don’t really know the Android landscape.)
    - ajayyy 3y ago
      There are also FOSS front-ends for Google Play such as Aurora Store
    - George83728 3y ago
      > So I’m guessing with this you’d use an alternative store like F-Droid instead of the Play Store? Not necessarily, but that's the best way to do it. Between apps from F-Droid and a browser, you don't need any apps from the play store. Your bank doesn't have an app on F-Droid you might say? Well that's what the browser is for.
      - lostgame 3y ago
        Ha. Your example is rather specific seeming to me, as I actually work on one of the big 5 Canadian banking iOS apps here in Toronto. For obvious reasons; we don’t ship to alternate stores - even if such a thing as iOS sideloading existed; we wouldn’t support it, and we of course do not support anything but the Play Store on Android. It’s obviously partly a support cost issue - there would be less than 1% of our millions of users using F-Droid, etc - and, more importantly; it’s a security and support issue. I think for a while we even had some sort of check that would detect a jailbroken iPhone or rooted Android device and attempted to refuse to run on them. Security is so far above the #1 priority working in banking it’s insane. We’d never consider anything outside of Apple or Google’s official solutions. We actually have real life contacts at Apple to help address specific security or approval concerns; which is practically unheard of.
        logifail 3y ago
        > rooted Android device (I'm sure I'm missing the obvious here) but why are you happy to have customers log in using a browser on a device they fully control, yet not do the same using your app on a device they fully control?
        yellowapple 3y ago
        The obvious answer is that they're not happy about it, but that browsers don't give them the access necessary to detect whether the device running said browser is rooted (let alone do anything about it), so they can't pretend they know better about my own device's security than I do.
Sierra7 3y ago
Thats not 100% accurate, if you get the phone directly from certain carriers, they may keep the phone locked. iirc verizon is the worst at it but you can contact them and waste an hour and a half of your life over phone support to get it changed. Why we have this system in place for phones is just... beyond me.

Georgelemental 3y ago

Bootloader unlocking is disabled until you connect to the internet.

theK 3y ago
Just out of curiosity, is it "just" the Internet or "connect to the internet, log in to a foogle account"?
- rfoo 3y ago
  Just the Internet. You have to click Skip when the phone prompts you to log in to a Google account though, as it does this by default.

Fire-Dragon-DoL 3y ago

What's special about GraphenrOS? It's the first time I'm hearing about it

quaintdev 3y ago
Make phone Google free. More features here https://grapheneos.org/features https://grapheneos.org/features
- lostgame 3y ago
  So I’m guessing with this you’d use an alternative store like F-Droid instead of the Play Store? (Pardon my ignorance, I’m an iOS dev and have been for a decade; I don’t really know the Android landscape.)
  - ajayyy 3y ago
    There are also FOSS front-ends for Google Play such as Aurora Store
  - George83728 3y ago
    > So I’m guessing with this you’d use an alternative store like F-Droid instead of the Play Store? Not necessarily, but that's the best way to do it. Between apps from F-Droid and a browser, you don't need any apps from the play store. Your bank doesn't have an app on F-Droid you might say? Well that's what the browser is for.
    - lostgame 3y ago
      Ha. Your example is rather specific seeming to me, as I actually work on one of the big 5 Canadian banking iOS apps here in Toronto. For obvious reasons; we don’t ship to alternate stores - even if such a thing as iOS sideloading existed; we wouldn’t support it, and we of course do not support anything but the Play Store on Android. It’s obviously partly a support cost issue - there would be less than 1% of our millions of users using F-Droid, etc - and, more importantly; it’s a security and support issue. I think for a while we even had some sort of check that would detect a jailbroken iPhone or rooted Android device and attempted to refuse to run on them. Security is so far above the #1 priority working in banking it’s insane. We’d never consider anything outside of Apple or Google’s official solutions. We actually have real life contacts at Apple to help address specific security or approval concerns; which is practically unheard of.
      - logifail 3y ago
        > rooted Android device (I'm sure I'm missing the obvious here) but why are you happy to have customers log in using a browser on a device they fully control, yet not do the same using your app on a device they fully control?
        yellowapple 3y ago
        The obvious answer is that they're not happy about it, but that browsers don't give them the access necessary to detect whether the device running said browser is rooted (let alone do anything about it), so they can't pretend they know better about my own device's security than I do.

Sierra7 3y ago

Thats not 100% accurate, if you get the phone directly from certain carriers, they may keep the phone locked. iirc verizon is the worst at it but you can contact them and waste an hour and a half of your life over phone support to get it changed. Why we have this system in place for phones is just... beyond me.