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> the goal is to have industry-wide discussion on adopting new standards for everyone. That’s not part of the regulation whatsoever > If the industry will dec

> the goal is to have industry-wide discussion on adopting new standards for everyone. That’s not part of the regulation whatsoever > If the industry will decide that USB-C isn't enough they will revise the standard. But the industry doesn’t come together and pick a standard. The EU did. The closest industries came to picking a standard were freely choosing from many different formats that emerged. Imagine what it would take for the executives at Apple, Samsung, Motorola, etc. to come together and all agree on some new format that perhaps one of them developed. Now consider that the EU would still have to approve it. The conclusion made from that Herculean effort might just be null and void. Also consider that this sounds a lot like is collusion. These companies would never get as far as sitting down with each other and are even less likely with this EU regulation. What’s worse is this all completely subjugates new players, who may be more likely to innovate and which can’t abuse any existing user base, to the current phone market. They would never have a seat at the table.

hutzlibu 4y ago
"Imagine what it would take for the executives at Apple, Samsung, Motorola, etc. to come together and all agree on some new format that perhaps one of them developed. Now consider that the EU would still have to approve it. The conclusion made from that Herculean effort might just be null and void." The EU does not really care on the standard and does not judge the technical decision - it cares about that there is one standard. So if Samsung, Apple and co come together for the next improved standard, then this is exactly the purpose of this legislation and no one has to fear if the EU is in a good mood afterwards.
- PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago
  Moreover, "Imagine what it would take for the executives at Apple, Samsung, Motorola, etc. to come together and all agree on some new format that perhaps one of them developed" is not actually hard to imagine, if you just drop Apple from the list. It is specifically Apple that has been the plays-badly-with-others child in this domain; the industry as a whole doesn't seem to have had much of a problem with the general idea.
- nonethewiser 4y ago
  The EU is the final arbiter. Top phone companies all agreeing on a new standard does not change the regulation. And even so, that just sounds like regulatory capture.
  - hutzlibu 4y ago
    The regulation specifically states, that it needs to be updated regularily. So when a new and better USB comes out - then this will be the new standard - not automatically, but allmost.
kibwen 4y ago
> But the industry doesn’t come together and pick a standard. The EU did. No, the EU told the industry to come to a consensus, and everyone except Apple agreed on USB-C.
alpaca128 4y ago
> Imagine what it would take for the executives at Apple, Samsung, Motorola, etc. to come together and all agree on some new format You mean exactly what happened when the USB standard was created by 7 tech companies?
akio 4y ago
Rumor is Apple basically invented USB-C and gave it to the standards body (which includes Samsung, Google, Microsoft, etc.), but didn’t take credit because being associated with Apple would harm its adoption. https://daringfireball.net/linked/2015/03/14/apple-usbc https://daringfireball.net/linked/2015/03/14/apple-usbc

hutzlibu 4y ago

"Imagine what it would take for the executives at Apple, Samsung, Motorola, etc. to come together and all agree on some new format that perhaps one of them developed. Now consider that the EU would still have to approve it. The conclusion made from that Herculean effort might just be null and void." The EU does not really care on the standard and does not judge the technical decision - it cares about that there is one standard. So if Samsung, Apple and co come together for the next improved standard, then this is exactly the purpose of this legislation and no one has to fear if the EU is in a good mood afterwards.

PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago
Moreover, "Imagine what it would take for the executives at Apple, Samsung, Motorola, etc. to come together and all agree on some new format that perhaps one of them developed" is not actually hard to imagine, if you just drop Apple from the list. It is specifically Apple that has been the plays-badly-with-others child in this domain; the industry as a whole doesn't seem to have had much of a problem with the general idea.
nonethewiser 4y ago
The EU is the final arbiter. Top phone companies all agreeing on a new standard does not change the regulation. And even so, that just sounds like regulatory capture.
- hutzlibu 4y ago
  The regulation specifically states, that it needs to be updated regularily. So when a new and better USB comes out - then this will be the new standard - not automatically, but allmost.

kibwen 4y ago

> But the industry doesn’t come together and pick a standard. The EU did. No, the EU told the industry to come to a consensus, and everyone except Apple agreed on USB-C.

alpaca128 4y ago

> Imagine what it would take for the executives at Apple, Samsung, Motorola, etc. to come together and all agree on some new format You mean exactly what happened when the USB standard was created by 7 tech companies?

akio 4y ago

Rumor is Apple basically invented USB-C and gave it to the standards body (which includes Samsung, Google, Microsoft, etc.), but didn’t take credit because being associated with Apple would harm its adoption. https://daringfireball.net/linked/2015/03/14/apple-usbc https://daringfireball.net/linked/2015/03/14/apple-usbc