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"You have to use my designated charge port on your own device with your own adapter and change your own designs for that if you want to sell your device. We don

"You have to use my designated charge port on your own device with your own adapter and change your own designs for that if you want to sell your device. We don't care if it's a step backwards in terms of design and internal space where every cubic millimeter is utilized." Not to defend Apple or anything but EU is being the mafia here.

bantunes 3y ago
The early 2000s were a mess with company-specific cables and USB was forced upon them and made things much simpler, Apple is just the last holdout. Forcing 3rd-party manufacturers to buy chips from them for their devices to work with Apple phones feels like the real protection racket to me.
- MichaelZuo 3y ago
  The parent has a point, the regulation is forcing a slightly smaller battery, slightly less durable connector, much more expensive repairs when the port stem breaks, etc. For devices that doesn't need the extra capabilities.
  - Jochim 3y ago
    People keep repeating this but how frequently do USB C ports actually break? Anecdotally, I had horrendous issues with mini USB but I've never had a micro USB or USB C port break. I'm not particularly gentle with them either, I've had the female end come out of the cable boot/snap off and the cable stop working due to strain on the boot. I don't know anyone who has experienced this personally and I can't recall seeing any anecdotes of it actually occurring in the HN threads where it's brought up.
    - MichaelZuo 3y ago
      > People keep repeating this but how frequently do USB C ports actually break? Even if the real rate was only 1 in a thousand devices, that's still a serious burden for the unlucky few. Whereas for lightning connectors, it's trivial to dislodge.
      - Dylan16807 3y ago
        You need to look at overall failure rate, not just that one specific type of failure can only happen to USB-C.
        MichaelZuo 3y ago
        Why?
        Dylan16807 3y ago
        Because we're talking about which one is more durable.
        MichaelZuo 3y ago
        No? The parent was clearly referring to the connector specifically not the overall durability of devices.
        Dylan16807 3y ago
        Oh, that's the confusion. I mean the overall failure rate of the port.
        MichaelZuo 3y ago
        In that case there's even less of an argument for USB-C ports since it's real world failure rate is much higher . Partly due to the increased complexity, partly due to the physical design, partly due to less stringent quality control, etc... If you assess failure rate based off whether it can reliably meet advertised claims year-after-year, such that a large degradation would count as failure, then I would dare say real world failure rate are dozens or hundreds of times higher than Lightning ports.
        Dylan16807 3y ago
Moldoteck 3y ago
Maybe because eu want to optimize for charging speed, data transfer and universality of the port? Standards exist for a reason and this reason usually doesn't allign with all wishes of the companies

bantunes 3y ago

The early 2000s were a mess with company-specific cables and USB was forced upon them and made things much simpler, Apple is just the last holdout. Forcing 3rd-party manufacturers to buy chips from them for their devices to work with Apple phones feels like the real protection racket to me.

MichaelZuo 3y ago
The parent has a point, the regulation is forcing a slightly smaller battery, slightly less durable connector, much more expensive repairs when the port stem breaks, etc. For devices that doesn't need the extra capabilities.
- Jochim 3y ago
  People keep repeating this but how frequently do USB C ports actually break? Anecdotally, I had horrendous issues with mini USB but I've never had a micro USB or USB C port break. I'm not particularly gentle with them either, I've had the female end come out of the cable boot/snap off and the cable stop working due to strain on the boot. I don't know anyone who has experienced this personally and I can't recall seeing any anecdotes of it actually occurring in the HN threads where it's brought up.
  - MichaelZuo 3y ago
    > People keep repeating this but how frequently do USB C ports actually break? Even if the real rate was only 1 in a thousand devices, that's still a serious burden for the unlucky few. Whereas for lightning connectors, it's trivial to dislodge.
    - Dylan16807 3y ago
      You need to look at overall failure rate, not just that one specific type of failure can only happen to USB-C.
      - MichaelZuo 3y ago
        Why?
        Dylan16807 3y ago
        Because we're talking about which one is more durable.
        MichaelZuo 3y ago
        No? The parent was clearly referring to the connector specifically not the overall durability of devices.
        Dylan16807 3y ago
        Oh, that's the confusion. I mean the overall failure rate of the port.
        MichaelZuo 3y ago
        In that case there's even less of an argument for USB-C ports since it's real world failure rate is much higher . Partly due to the increased complexity, partly due to the physical design, partly due to less stringent quality control, etc... If you assess failure rate based off whether it can reliably meet advertised claims year-after-year, such that a large degradation would count as failure, then I would dare say real world failure rate are dozens or hundreds of times higher than Lightning ports.
        Dylan16807 3y ago

Moldoteck 3y ago

Maybe because eu want to optimize for charging speed, data transfer and universality of the port? Standards exist for a reason and this reason usually doesn't allign with all wishes of the companies